• Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    19 hours ago

    It’s not what we want, it’s whats happening.

    Normal stable countries don’t have states that float the idea of stopping funding to the federal government, consider suspending habeas corpus to make arresting people easier, and deport non-whites en masse to concentration camps.

    Sticking your head in the sand and complying in advance doesn’t work because it assumes governments have a conscience that will learn from mistakes and guilt. It even considers this is a mistake. This is entirely on purpose.

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      17 hours ago

      This is illustrative of your whole problem over there though - the solution to crap government is better government, not regression to fuedalism. Peaceful protest is not “sticking your head in the sand” - it’s putting yourself in real danger given what Trump and the federal military are currently doing. But everyone standing across the line with a gun in their hand is a human being. The moment you arm the mob, the military has a mandate to engage and they will be far less sympathetic to the plight of the citizenry. Armed resistance, or any kind of violent resistance whatsoever, should be the absolute last resort.

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        16 hours ago

        Armed resistance, or any kind of violent resistance whatsoever, should be the absolute last resort.

        I don’t think anyone here is arguing against this, we’re just saying it’s time to be prepared for if that time comes because we won’t be given advanced notice.

        We have a government controlled by people dedicated to consolidating their power and ensuring they won’t be opposed. Unidentifiable armed thugs are grabbing people off the street and shipping them to torture camps.

        I sincerely hope this can be resolved peacefully, but the reality of the situation is we have to be prepared for if it can’t be.

        Obviously don’t fire the first shot; but if they do, it needs to be met with a shot back.

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          15 hours ago

          Obviously don’t fire the first shot; but if they do, it needs to be met with a shot back.

          By whom and in what context?

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        16 hours ago

        Relying on their sympathy, and the hope to replace them with a better government without using force, are absolute folly. They’re fascists; making those things not forthcoming is like their whole schtick. Small arms won’t defeat them in battle, but guns can make occupation almost infinitely more costly for fascists to maintain compared to willful docility

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          15 hours ago

          Are you really saying US citizens matyring themselves by provoking armed crackdowns by the military is more reliable than peaceful protest? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.

          There is no “battle” right now. There is no civil war yet. What you’re saying is the kind of behavior that will start it.

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            14 hours ago

            What you’re saying is the kind of behavior that results in Nazi Germany and extermination camps. At this point I can only assume you’re trying to goad non-fascists into bannable speech