That’s like saying “I’m pro-life and anti-gun control”.
Oh. Wait.
Edit: Guy confirmed that he is, indeed, pro-life and anti-gun control.
I’m pro bike and anti bike lane.
The entire street should be for bikes only
That’s what happens in my city, people hella mad about it
You lie. That’s how. They aren’t pro bike they are just saying it to make their point
They’re still on xitter, and they paid for blue checks. Who cares what opinion they hold on literally anything?
please call it Twitter. just to piss elon off. Xitter sounds even worse than X honestly
I read it as “shitter” and it makes me chuckle. Is that not how you’re supposed to say it?
Sadly, a lot of people on that platform do.
Some of them are against bike lanes because they say it gives drivers a false sense of entitlement and cyclists a false sense of security when they’re supposed to be sharing the road.
That doesn’t sound like this guy, though.
I’m anti bike lane. Roads should be for bikes and pedestrians. Cars should get their own single separated lane on the occasional road.
Bike lanes are car infrastructure. They are not needed unless you consider the entire street to be for cars by default.
Also dave is an idiot. Maximum capacity would be a cycle and transit only street because those have the highest throughput per lane. Cars are incredibly space inefficient.
Slight disagreement there. Streets are for pedestrians and bikes and trams and the occasional car (in a dedicated car lane). Roads (as in large arterial roads in very limited areas, meant for fast travel between faraway zones when trains are inconvenient, or highways between cities) can be considered as intended for cars, and even those should have pretty good space dedicated to bike lanes and pedestrian sidewalks.
Given that a car is a priviledge in most (all?) of the world, I’d argue there should be absolutely zero car-only infrastructure because it creates second class citizens for which some parts of the street are inaccesible.
Think of it this way, would you support the creation of a sidewalk in which only people who own a 50k ring can go?
A bus in a kind of car. Biking 30km in one go is a bit much too.
@Tlaloc_Temporal @stevedice One of those carries 30-100 people with lower carbon emissions, using significantly less road space, is highly affordable, and is driven by a professional driver.
The other is a private car.
Busses use car infrastructure, is my point. Almost all car infrastructure can be used to run busses. You can expand that to most utility vehicles too, postage trucks and garbage trucks need to get around too. There is no such thing as car-only infrastructure. Car-centric, sure, but not car-only.
Busses can use car infrastructure, but sometimes they use mode-specific infrastructure that cars cannot use.
I very clearly meant private cars, friend. Come on.
Private jets are also a privilege, should we demolish all airports? Private schools too, should we have no education-only infrastructure?
The issue with car-centric infrastructure is that it prioritizes expensive and inefficient systems over others. It’s the priority that’s the issue, not the existence of roads at all.
What would car-only infrastructure even look like? A highway that busses aren’t allowed on? No utility vehicles? No firefighters?
Private jets are also a privilege, should we demolish all airports? Private schools too, should we have no education-only infrastructure?
Public airports aren’t exclusive to private jets and private schools aren’t publicly funded.
Please be more careful next time, you’re scaring all the birds.
What would car-only infrastructure even look like?
Every single road where pedestrians or alternative modes of transportation aren’t allowed and isn’t part of a public bus route is car-only infrastructure.
A highway that busses aren’t allowed on?
These exist. You are aware these exist, right?
Public airports aren’t exclusive to private jets and private schools aren’t publicly funded.
Roads aren’t exclusive to cars and most of the private schools around here do receive public funding. Just because something is used poorly doesn’t mean it’s completely useless.
Every single road where pedestrians or alternative modes of transportation aren’t allowed and isn’t part of a public bus route is car-only infrastructure.
The only road around here that pedestrians and bicycles are explicitly barred from are the freeways, where blocking traffic is very dangerous, but busses, utility vehicles, and industrial vehicles use those all the time.
A highway that busses aren’t allowed on?
These exist. You are aware these exist, right?
No, I’m not aware of public roads where it’s physically impossible to run a bus line or ride a bike. If a sedan can use it, a bike can use it. If a delivery truck can fit, so can a bus.
I am aware of roads too dangerous to bike on and roads too sparce of destinations to run busses on, but that’s because of how roads are used, not a condemnation of roads themselves. If the city decides to add a bus route to a road, no infrastructure needs to be changed. If someone decides to send a charter bus or shuttle, the roads are open to them.
Relevant not just bikes about the streets in Tokyo that prioritise pedestrians: https://youtu.be/jlwQ2Y4By0U
Bike lanes suck. Separated bike paths are much better. Or just streets without cars at all, no need for a bike lane if there are no cars.
In this paradise, where are the Rollerbladers?
Rollerblade lane.
Separate but equal. /s
4 wheels bad.
2 wheels good.
8 wheels, mmmm OK, over there please.
Nah nah nah, rollerblade path. No need for a rollerblade lane of there are no bikes.
In this paradise, where are the pogo sticks?
Next to the unicycle path.
Pro-life + anti-gun control = pro-birth.
Or in other words: He’s pro after-birth abortions.
Birth them all; let school shooters sort them out
“Solve school shootings by birthing backup-children.”
Got a friend this way. He hates bikes on the road. And yells to get on the greenways etc. Cause slow his lifted f150, that he needs to commute and get groceries, down for 30 seconds. The bike then get on the greenway and then he bitches they go too fast there.
Also he weighs about 300 lbs and doesn’t work out in any way.
I’m stealing this.
Vehicular cyclists are the fucking worst. I find that they fall into two groups:
- “The John Forrester”, generally oldhat nerds festooned with side mirrors and blinking lights and fluoro vests who are basically at the point of cosplaying as a car.
- “The Dentist”, young and middle-aged guys with money for whom cycling is purely a sport and nothing else, who annually dump $20K into prebuilt bikes and clothing like it’s nothing.
Either way they’re almost 100% athletic white men who for some reason never picked up on the fact that cycling in a car culture is a near-perfect analogy / example of what it’s like to be a marginalized minority and a first-hand demonstration of privilege. Instead they’re defenders of the status quo - By way of their own athletic, gender, or monetary privilege - All the way to their bloody meat crayon deaths. They’re that one asshole who shows up to the community board meeting about a new bike lane that will make cycling accessible for children, the elderly, and any person in between who is more risk-averse or less athletic than they are in order to speak against it “As a cyclist”. Because to them battling for your life in traffic, being on the bleeding edge of death, breathing in truck exhaust from the shoulder of a stroad is a gatekeeping measure. They’re masochistic elites, they rake pride in the danger that they put themselves in so much that they’d deny accessibility to anyone else unwilling to accept that danger.
Gordon Ramsey is an example of someone in the dentist group. A few years ago he very nearly got meat crayoned by a car while cycling in the US. He didn’t provide the details of the crash but it was obvious from his injuries that he’d been hit from the side by a car or truck and likely went over the hood. His public plea in revealing this wasn’t that the US needs to make roads safer for cyclists, or more accessible to people who don’t have a group of equally wealthy friends to peloton around a foreign country with, maybe separating cars from cyclists so that the two may never conflict. His one and only adamant request was that we all wear a helmet. Cycling is wasted on these myopic asshats.
Oh bother, I’ve gone and ranted again.
Hey, i fall into the dentist group! But i totally advocate for bike lanes, and i’m not white…
There are dozens of us at the local critical mass ride!!! I make it a point to show up in my ridiculous spandex gear to show people the dentists aren’t all assholes. Also, good spandex is really comfy.
Why the hate?? Yeah i sunk a lot of money into my hobby, but thats what people do. People spend tens of thousands on camera gear, gaming rigs, etc. Why hate on others’ expensive hobbies?
I’m actually not that rich, but living car free and biking every day has allowed me to allocate a lot of money towards my hobbies. Cars are a total money sink… 10yrs ago it was around $6k/year TCO. I’m sure it’s more now…
You should put an additional qualifier on your dentist description… Carries their $20k bike on top of their $80k SUV. Drives 2 hours out of the city just to ride around for an hour…
I didn’t say that all dentist-types are vehicular cyclists, just that all vehicular cyclists seem to fall into those two groups. One-way taxonomy. If you advocate for accessible bike infrastructure, good!
I’m actually white and male, myself. Fit, though I’d stop short of claiming athletic. But for me, taking up cycling was an eye-opening first hand example of disperate privilege. Both in how cycling is treated compared to driving, and how level of access to cycling itself changes depending on who you are. While I was already primed to understand social justice, cycling is a small way for white bros to really emphatically experience it along one vector, even if temporarily. Some of us gatekeep it as a result, but like you or I some of us use that experience as motivation for advocacy.
Have you been outside of the first world recently? Here in Mexico, cyclists are mostly old people with backpacks filled with tools on their way to fix a sink.
No, but I’m speaking specifically about US culture. Sorry, I know this community is international and so I should have stated that.
Hell even where I am about 60% of cyclists are kids. This is some basic internet strawman if I’ve ever seen one.
Either way they’re almost 100% athletic white men
Someone has never been to Europe.
I have though. Go on, I’m interested to hear about the demographic difference.
Oh, I was not referring to cyclists in general. I was referring specifically to cyclists who gatekeep access to cycling by restricting it’s recognition to sport athletics only, or opposing cycling-specific infrastructure. Europe certainly does have a much higher percentage of daily cyclists than the US but that is not what I was talking about. Though since you have more women cyclists, I imagine some of them do inevitably behave in this way.
Ah. Yes. Gatekeepers of any sport are cunts. Only excusable when safety is involved.
I’m living proof that a helmet will do nothing to protect your pancreas; sure it coulda been worse, but as an 8yo kid I had a tough recovery because they wouldn’t give pain medications until the last minute, but I guess that’s just another rant for another place and time.
Cause and effect. When you make cycling a challenge, the only cyclists will be the most radical/motivated. If we had the infrastructure to make cycling safe and easy, many more casual cyclists would exist. Europe proves that
“If you build it they will come”
As it is, building it doesn’t even work so well because we are so starved for opportunity that so many “bike paths” are overwhelmed by pedestrians that also never had options
Yup, it definitely has snowball potential in either direction. Build more infrastructure, incentivize more advocates. Build less infrastructure, incentivize more privileged subcultures.
“it’s simple math” - read about that expression on Facebook, never actually had math themselves as they were home schooled in creationism and flat earth.
Wtf even is simple-math? Arithmetic? Logic? The 2006 Kansas middle-school curricilum?
Ahh a classic vehicle cyclist!
I can hear John Forester screaming in his grave
Hey I get it though, bike lanes are expensive new infrastructure. So pro-bike, anti bike lane just means all roads are now for bikes, cars not allowed. Ban cars and you don’t need expensive new infrastructure! Sounds great!
Dave isn’t very bright
That’s obvious. He pays to use Twitter.
This is funny to me because the one time I was in NYC, the streets were empty but the sidewalks were congested as fuck.
