I’m german. I’ve learned about her in history and this is my opinion and your comment assuming I don’t know what I’m talking about is very telling. Seems like you have a really good-faith argument on your hand

Where do I stop with the murder? Whats the criteria to be evil and deserve to die? Who decides what justice is? I agree that its a slippery slope and its why I think self justice like this is more self righteousness than anything

Then you’d need a majority in democracy to vote in their interests. But they voted for Trump, a man who wants to get rid of the ACA and impose senseless tariffs on all countries while cutting down on regulation that keeps people save and installing his own unhinged lackeys. Harsh rhetoric, but I want to say the American people have voted against their interest, and if political pressure was there change would be possible. I like that this issue is getting attention but I strongly question people calling for more murder and chaos.

I think its one of the reasons reddit will never reach the mainstream like reddit. For one people find it confusing to find a community which I disagree with, you just need to take a slight effort to understand that you have a choice of community and in return you get great freedom. Since its mostly for more techies I and its overwhelmingly like left, people with moderate right views will feel like they’re completely out of place.

Im also sad that many of the bigger communities like ml have unhinged mods that ban for anyone disagreeing with them. For example some calls for violence being overwhelmingly onesided on here made me feel sick at times. But I don’t feel like sparking that debate over here.

It is disgusting to compare a murderer to Anne Frank

You don’t need to be a good person to have a reason not to be killed.

Being a human being is already enough in most cases. His death does not change anything

I am honestly appreciate, that not everyone shares the same bloodlust people on lemmy have

I personally think even in this case a precious life is lost. I haven’t dug into the potential use of AI to deny claims which is highly unethical. I come more from an approach of utilitarianism: Every life/lifetime has some sort of potential joy and value to it. If for example a regime falls and a dictator causing a lot of loss of value (in this case life and quality of life) dies, the equation is a positive one if people get to live longer better lives. The dictator is the main reason for suffering.

In the case with the CEO he isn’t the main reason for suffering, rather the system is. He has to bear part of the responsibility but his death doesn’t have a positive outcome in our equations because the death changes nothing. He also isn’t fully responsible for the system which is the root problem of the health system.

I myself also believe generally murder is in nearly all cases wrong, and does while I am against the Genocide in Gaza I do think you’re at least partially talking about my group and generalizing it to make an obscene argument. Your example is actually perfect valid and if a person doesn’t care about genocide/death in gaza they can’t claim the moral high ground if they only value this kind of life. Its also distracting a bit from the main point of life and especially a life of good quality having value.

He isn’t except from the justice system last time I remember. He is also not personally and individual to blame for the sole responsibility of those deaths. Also a murder isn’t the same as a person dying of something else because that didn’t get treated.

I’m not a total corpo bootlicker no worries, but I believe this is just one more death this whole system claims and I despise the celebration of his death. I believe in the end this death changes nothing, like I said

One side follows rule of law, while the company and shareholders he is working from require him to maximize profits at the cost of the insured customers.

The other side caused mass destruction across europe, millions dead, millions displaced, left countries in ruins and starving, gassed millions of Jews and caused mass chaos.

If he was to excel the expectations of the people he worked for he was supposed to decline health treatments. If he started performing worse for the shareholders he would’ve been at fault in the eyes of the shareholders and thus replaced.

Hitler on the other way acted on his own accord. There were no democratic institutions above him or really any to hold him accountable. The healthcare system on the other hand can be changed in a democratic system and political pressure. A dictator like Hitler certainly not through peaceful protest, as those were answered with violence and suppression

The way its presented is as if everyone or even most people are like this. “often” might be true but it isn’t really an argument in that case if you mean it literally

Really easy to generalize a group like this. I’ve been opposing both the humanitarian crisis and genocide caused by Isreal as well as this cowardice murder of a CEO that changes nothing. I’m also against the medical insurance system in the US, I just think this action doesn’t do shit. It takes real energy to protest and mobilize people to make real change possible but that seems like too much for a bunch of people on here

Hard to compare some shot CEO to Hitler imho

You really think every person in real life goes ahead with supporting this murder just because you heard enough people online repeating this in this echo chamber?

Someone that has their own morals, and thinks killing is bad? Totally a bootlicker! For me its about principles. The death of this CEO changes nothing

I’ll just leave this here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

Systematic (and alleged automated) denials of claims are highly immoral, unethical and possibly illegal thing to do. I just think this doesn’t solve the root problem and just adds one more death without fixing it. I don’t think this is both a sensible way as well as right way to fix this. Also, I don’t think you can just stamp each CEO as immoral automatically. General thinking for specific groups of people is frowned upon based on ethnicity, origin or gender, yet when we look at socioeconomic groups it suddenly becomes right? I think the freedom of movement should exist for even those in power and political//legal issues should be handled the right way. Peaceful protests and movements for a healthcare reform are the only right way long term to support this if you’re American and really care about the issue. Short term violence LARPing just causes polarization and makes the people fighting against this system seem crazy.

Maybe because he was a human???

Yeah, give the good guys guns so they can defend themselves from the bad guys with guns. This is literally your argument

You think the successor will change shit? This has to be changed politically, not just to hope you have a keen CEO; If you don’t deliver financially shareholders will just replace you