Being a criminal is also affected by ones social status so you’re pretty much contradicting youself here. I know what gang-related crime looks like as i was raised in a suburb with majority mena-immigrants along with having worked as a correctional officer to pay for my living situation while studying for my university degree. Jews were not part of that culture, because frankly they were quite hated in those parts of society. My statistics from the crime-prehentetive counsil in sweden mentions that it amounts for about a third of violent deaths, while the larger part of the rest is the second and third category. It might be lower in some areas in europe like portugal and maybe portugal don’t have many killed jews at all. I don’t agree with the metric because you can still be unsafe even if your life is not on the line consistently, but you might still be approached on the street, assaulted and fear terrorist attacks, which definitely have happened. Perhaps that is where our points of view differ to much to come to a common conclusion.

I honestly think that might be a pretty bad metric because most murders belong to three categories.

1. Gangrelated
2. Domestic
3. Spontaneous (often psychological problems/alcohol-drugs involved).

For 2 and 3, i don’t believe any ethnicity is exempt.

All that statistic will show is that it’s far more dangerous to be a criminal wifebeating drunk than the average population and i haven’t heard of many jew-gangs.

Example- a gang fight causes 100 people to die. One jew is killed from an antisemitic crime. Now, if the jewish population is 1% of the total population, we would have an equal amount of jewish deaths as the average population, but criminals mostly kill eachother so it’s still obviously more dangerous to be a criminal than a jew but the antisemitic crime weighs more compared to the non-criminal population. So we would have to exclude a whole bunch of murder causes to get a reasonable result and define those, or you know, just use the antisemitic deaths as a factor from the start.

Can i count attempted homicide? The problem with violent death in europe is that it’s quite skewed by terrorist attacks, like in france 2015, 31 were “homecide or attempt” but it doesnt split that statistic into two columns which it should i.m.o, and also most countries don’t seem to register anti semitic killing seprately (maybe some because there were none/few?) Are violent attacks not a valid reason to be afraid for your safety? That looks easier to look up as many countries does register that statistic.

Maybe we need a different approach. As you don’t trust the numbers like i presented before where antisemitic hate crime reporting is 10-20 times as high as islamophobic hate crime reporting, what is a sufficient, or acceptable matrix that you would trust? I’m sure we can find out something we can both agree on. I’m prepared to accept whatever result, maybe i’m full of it but if there is no metric that you accept, there doesn’t seem to be any reason to debate in good faith.

You know i really hope you are right. Maybe my mind has been infiltrated by the zionist agenda and propaganda media of which they supposedly own worldwide. But saying that they are causing their own fear seems a bit like a stretch. It’s touching the “It didnt happend, and if it did, its not that bad” to “its your own fault”. Jews in other countries are not part of the “zionist agenda” and claiming they are self alarming is really twisting words. There is a long and wide spread history in europe of antisemitism and even if you don’t see it maybe you’ll acknowledge that all minorities are subject to hate where jews are in a fragile position as they are few - along with israeli government doing what it does. The Porto synagogue was vandalized right after the october event along with the Jewish Cultural Center among other events. Maybe that is also manifactured by die judischen zeitungen. It’s a bit of a Catch-22, where you don’t think that Jews are in any danger whatsoever but when reading about it, statistics and newspapers are lying so even if they would be persecuted you would never know.

I respect thay you might have a different point of view based on your experiences. I also have family in the UK that so i’m there regularly and follow what is going on. But the fact is that of those that usually wear jewish symbols, 61% avoid wearing them on occasion for their safety and additionally according to this EU survey almost a third is considering emigrating (of the 12 countries surveyed the average was 38% so UK is slightly better than most countries for jews)

https://fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-2nd-survey-on-discrimination-and-hate-crime-against-jews-in-eu-ms-country-sheet-uk_en.pdf

Looking at hate crime rates since that survey, they have boomed since the october event.

It does not suprise me at all that it is difficult to acknowledge that people with other backgrounds are subject to hate because that is how we are built. We rather look away and instead of finding out how the situation is, we go by how we feel things are which is why it is good to have statistical resources that paints a picture for the group as a whole.

I acknowledge that jews probably have better chances with authorities than other minorities but that also is not the reason they don’t feel safe wearing their religious symbols.

I hope you understand that i don’t want to make this a “they have it worse” thing. I want to show that their safety is not great, as here a third of their synagogue budgets go to private security. You can’t say that about any other group.

I mean yeah it does sound like you have a problem with double standards in portugal, no denying that. All i can speak for is what ive seen and what the statistics say. And what iv’e seen is that Jews wearing a kippa are getting shouted at from across the street while muslims absolutely get their share of hatered but they are in no mean in danger just by showing their faith not at the same level so jews here don’t show their religious symbols. We have had weekly pro-palestine protest where they shout praising the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam brigade while in swedish they have much milder wording. And thats fine here, we allow protests and noone is going to stop them. Most people just let them do their thing. I support a part of their message with a free palestine but not the hateful rhetoric. The statistics is quite telling, but for sake of comparison, lets look at UK.

33% were on jews, 38% on muslims. By population count, they have a factor of 12 times more crimes against them.

Anyhow the argument that they should move or give up their country is no better than what the israeli government is doing right now.

https://bra.se/statistik/statistik-om-rattsvasendet/hatbrottsstatistik

Here is the official statistics of hate crimes in sweden. Antisemitic 4% of total and islamophobic is 8%. However there are around 800000 with a muslim background although only around 230000 are registered with a mosque organized by the major islamic umbrella organization. The same number for jews are 20000 and 6000 active in a congregation. So we have 40 times more muslims, meaning you are 20 times more likely to be a victim of an antisemitic hate crime.

Do you have a source on that dual citizenship claim? If you look at how they are treated even in Sweden, can you imagine forcing them to move back to the neighboring states where many of them came from?

Israeli politics are shitty and they are comitting war crimes but but lets be honest, jews are not safe anywhere else than perhaps the US. Having them move or just giving up their own country is no better than forcing the US to give back their country to the native americans. We are living in the now and most israelis are born in israel and are not responsible for what is happening there. The only good solution is to have two states, everything else will result in further conflict.

I disagree with the notion that moderation is done when the recipient doesnt want to see it. Moderation is the tools of censorship.

I respect your ideal and i think its a good basic value to have, but lets be honest. Reddit has always had content moderation in one way or another but had very high level of tolerance. I remember when every second post on reddit was a huge ascii of pedobear and they had subreddits with legal yet very untasteful pictures of underage girls and bullying fat people had their own subreddit. At some point it became large enough to get large investors that doesn’t want their name next to a barely dressed 14 year old. Then TheDonald and other right wing subs was banned, so it has mostly upheld free speach for what is popular among its users for the longest of time but has never been a free speach platform. Even 4chan today is nowhere near what it used to be, for good reasons i think because i think no sane person would look at it and think, this is free speach in its prime.

I agree with your point in general but free speech is a right that is only a protection from consequences from the government and does not include private coorporations or citizens. If someone start spewing racist remarks in my house, i’ll ask them to leave. The same applies for reddit and other platforms. We can freely move to a place where our speech is allowed. We can’t just force every single platform or every gathering allowing all speech at all times.

Same here . Obviously it does feel more like actually driving a car instead of a toy but to be honest, electric is here and they don’t shift. Today when i feel like doing some driving for the sake of driving- a motorcycle is much more fun anyway.