This is one of the more recent

https://www.euronews.com/2024/04/08/shrouded-in-secrecy-sweden-expels-chinese-journalist

I think we have a different view of spying, this can also be Russians just want a prisoner swap.

All intelligence services have people working for them undercover, you can be hired by or talked into doing x and y by an some intelligence service, you can also be asked to share information with them. They can even help you getting in contact with the right people to make what ever you’re trying to do easier.

You can say that a journalist will publish it findings, but also the journalist can do a lot of other things. I mean I can think of multiple things that the CIA would be interested in that is not necessarily related to the journalistic job. Like recruiting a spy inside Wagner, milking information that is a secret: locations, personnel or arsenal. It can also be a damageing story, Russias official stance is that Wagner is not controlled by the state.

Is he a spy? Does he become a spy if he is spying?

Anyways we don’t know, Russia maybe just wants s prisoner swap, and maybe this journalist was digging in places that he shouldn’t have. We arrest Russian and Chinese spies all the time, some of them are working as journalists.

The whole issue is your “if”, basically you don’t know, and you are just guessing. Out of curiosity how do define a spy?

Yeah I agree, it’s impossible to know if he’s a spy or not. He might even not know he had shared intresset with other agencies, someone might have led him closer to Wagner than he initially intended.

But he does raise a lot of questions for the Russian it intelligence.

Do you actually think that intelligence agencies are only in contact with one guy? Why wouldn’t the CIA be interested in a reporter traveling to Russia to do a story about Wagner?

Yeah the legalise happens to be in the back pocket of sundar pichai. ???

I haven’t given you a ultimatum I gave you a question, and you can answer it anyway you want. Do or can pedophiles feel remorse for their victims? Are there pedophiles who feel remorse for their victims but still abuse children?

But let me say this again, pedophiles have no remorse towards their victims, they get turned on by it, I’m trying to tell you it’s not a just a sexual desire. They like the abuse part of it, abusing some one helpless, that is why they are turned on by abusing children.

Bro I can’t continue this, you’re not willing to understand it’s not about the kid, it is about abusing the kid, that is what they want. And if you can’t rigster that it’s not just a sexual desire, then we can agree to disagree.

No because its two consenting adults otherwise its illegal. Wtf is vore art, not going to google that. How do you know it’s victimless. Like I said they are turned on by abusing minors, and don’t know how else I can put it, I can’t be more clear.

Let me ask you this, do you think pedophiles care about their victims? If yes, then I want to hear why you think that. If no, why are we even having this argument?

And I’m using the article as an example of that it doesn’t just stop at “victimless” images, because they are not fucking normal people. They are mentally sick, they are sexually turned on by the abuse of a minor, not by the minor but by abusing the minor, sexually.

In what world would a person like that stop at looking at images, they actively search for victims, create groups where they share and discuss abusing minors.

Yes dude, they are fucking dangerous bro, life is not fair. You wouldn’t say the same shit if some one close to you was a victim.

What do you mean focus your energy, how much energy do you think I spend on discussing perverts? And what should I spend my time discussing contact sports. It’s sound like you are deflecting.

Pedophiles get turned on abusing minors, they are mentally sick. It’s not like its a normal sexual desire, they will never stop at watching “victimless” images. Fuck pedophiles they don’t deserve shit, and hope they eat shit he rest of their lives.

For now, if you read the article, it states that he shared the pictures to form like minded groups where they got emboldened and could support each other and legitimize/normalize their perverted thoughts. How about no thanks.

I don’t know, I think it’s still possible for Ukrainain military to release videos, but cut the ISIS style music videos and the horrible way of killing a person. To me personally, it gives the essence of seeing human life as being nothing more than sick joke. That’s probably how Russians can do horrible things to Ukrainains or other people, and I don’t think dehumanizing human beings is healthy for anyone or any society. And I do have a higher standard for our allies, to not become the evil they’re fighting.

I think I agree to some extent, but I also think that we’re entering the territory of human psychology. Stuff like this can have the reverse effect, we can look at the effect of ISIS and their gore/snuff video campaigns which made the whole world turn against them, and had a moral bolstering effect of the opposition. Sure in the beginning people were afraid of ISIS, but then it transformed into another feeling, a feeling of revenge/justice for the murdered.

I just want to say, this isn’t random Ukrainian editing this, the camera is on the drone, it’s obviously military propaganda. The Russians do the same, so I’m not calling out Ukraine in anyway.

Yeah, I guess that is true. But somehow I feel more disgusted by music being added to to it, and I guess it’s a turn off for a lot people to see death celebrated in this manner. This soldier was just born on the wrong side, he’s a victim of his circumstances.

I don’t understand people watching or sharing gore/snuff videos.

Are you debating just to debate, or do you just fail to see the obvious issue?

I would guess it’s normal for your imagination to draw what you read, but I guess people have different levels of imagination. I myself don’t imagination stuff clearly, more of a haze. People who are naturally good at drawing, I would guess have strong imagination, where they can picture what they’re drawing in clear details.

All in oneshots - as I read or write, I hear it in my voice while doing it.

When I read stuff, my inner dialog reads it back to me, you don’t get that? Like in the movies when a someone is writing or reading a letter.

That sounds great and I’m a user now, looking forward to the new features🖖