If I literally had that experience for my whole life until then, I’m pretty certain that I would end it. Even if I knew that I would get out somehow. I can’t even imagine how traumatizing it must be if you never experienced comfort and safety, for your entire life.
Maybe watch Dominion if you can’t see my point.
That assumes that even extremely miserable lifes are worth living. If I lived in factory farm conditions my whole life, with the kind of procedures the animals have to go through, I’d try to end my life as soon as possible, as far as I can tell. Thankfully I never had to make that consideration in my life.
In terms of Utilitarianism, a life on a factory farm is one of the clearest examples of a life with a net negative intrinsic utility I could think of.
I feel like the repugnant conclusion is more about minimally positive utility lives.
Ah yes, the daily flawless logic of “you may treat them like absolute garbage on factory farms, but as long as you breed more, that’s actually good for them”
Next up is how puppy mills are the best invention ever and that the puppies should be grateful.
Would you say that people not getting dogs would actually be worse than people getting dogs and slicing their throats at 1-2 years old?
Imo people who care about animals are opposed to people cutting their throat open, instead of supporting it.
The fact that is considered good conditions for the animal, and that systematic violence get twisted into welfare, is such an incredibly grim reality…
Smoking sucks and I’m glad I’ve never done it, but I’m worried that this will push even more people to the far right because they will feel patronized as fuck.
Also not sure if a flourishing black market is much better. Seems like an enormous source of income for organized crime which might not be the best thing.
Imo it would be much better to only ban it at places where there are a lot of people and do proper education in schools so that children actually understand why it’s a terrible idea.
Seems like the first number is just grid-scale battery storage, while the second includes home batteries, which grew faster in the last years. Grid scale takes more time to get approval, build, connect.
I’d like to buy a Fairphone, but the missing IP68 rating is concerning to me. I really don’t want to have to worry about my phone dying if I get into a rainstorm for example, especially while traveling.
Who said capitalism isn’t a problem? I don’t see any comments claiming that.
Capitalism incentives the exploitation of humans and animals alike. It’s possible to recognize that both are a problem.
Its much weirder when leftists unironically believe that “animals are just animals, making them suffer is fine because they are inferior to me”, which is literally the supremacist thinking that racists and classists invoke to justify their mistreatment of other groups too.
20 years ago you could have said “Well, solar panels might be great for sustainability in theory, but the fossil fuel industry is so overwhelmingly powerful and solar panels so bad and expensive, it’s absolutely futile.”
Now, over 90% of added power plants are renewable, because there was at least some pressure to implement alternatives, and now they have matured enough to become economically viable on their own.
I think there are certain parallels to factory farming and plant-based alternatives + cultivated meat. We know that factory farming is very unsustainable, especially in terms of climate impact, resource use and zoonotic diseases (like bird flu and swine flu). These issues become ever more pressing as factory farming continues. We just won’t have a choice at some point but to switch to alternatives that are more sustainable, or everything goes to shit.
Creating demand for the alternatives funds their R&D and furthers their availability, which in turn leads to better products for lower prices, which makes further adoption much easier. Advancing the alternatives might have a much bigger impact than the mere reduction in meat consumption.
The more early adopters, the faster new technologies can advance. That’s true for every sustainable industry like solar energy, wind energy, battery storage, electric cars, and also meat alternatives.
That gets difficult when billion dollar industries are involved, especially multiple. Some politicians will oppose the corruption, but the corporations will just fund the campaign of other politicians that are willing to act in their interest.
Transparency and a vigilant civil society with consequences for scandals can mitigate that somewhat, to varying degrees. But ultimately there’s corruption in every government at every level of governance. Capital interests always find a way, unfortunately.
Imo it’s just really easy to switch stuff like burgers, nuggets, chicken wings, chicken breast etc. over to a (good) plant-based equivalent, I don’t feel like I’ve lost anything by doing that. It would already remove a lot of environmental destruction and animal suffering without people going fully vegetarian or vegan.
Not saying those efforts can’t be done in parallel, but subsidizing vat grown meat is necessary as well.
Yes, I agree with that and I’ll be happy when it gets affordable.
I have family members that are meat eaters, but they are often surprised how good some alternatives are nowadays when I give them new stuff to try. It’s true that some aren’t good, though. It really depends on the product. Most people haven’t tried the good ones in my experience, or don’t have them available in their region yet.
The official statistics here in Germany are that plant-based sales increased by about 15% year-on-year, and more than doubled over the last 5 years alone. It’s certainly catching on here.
Most vegetarians and vegans will be happy about positive changes. They aren’t the loudest ones, however. Similar to feminism, the most radical opinions get much more attention relative to reasonable ones. Especially by those opposed to it.
When I was a meat eater I also saw it as an all-or-nothing choice though, as if I need to fully commit all at once, which was daunting to me. Then I tried to be vegetarian for a week which was surprisingly easy. Then I had a foot in the door, decided to continue, and replaced eggs and milk as well in the following weeks.
Some people might have an easier time replacing single foods, like buying plant-based patties instead of meat ones, or just trying out a few plant-based alternatives, and that’s great too.
It’s still from factory farms with very cruel living conditions, which is why it can be so cheap.
Plant-based meat alternatives have also become much tastier, cheaper and available, especially over the last decade. Cultivated meat will be great for steaks and stuff, but for many things we already have replacements that are quite good.
Some store brand meat alternatives have already reached price parity with factory farmed meat here in Germany, and this will continue as the industry scales up.
They’re using the money they got from their customers to lobby politicians to keep doing business as usual. They have so much power because people vote with their dollar, for them, and not for sustainable alternatives.
Blaming politicians while continuing to fund these industries won’t lead to anything.
I think that the multiverse exist and we’re the 1% of timelines that the cold war didnt go hot.
Some of the most powerful people of the world work hard to get us closer.
It’s just a joke about how weird human culture is. I wonder how you infer anything about me as a person because of one silly joke? Only super weird people can notice weird cultural things and make jokes about it? Genuinely curious about your reasoning here.
To me its much weirder that it’s normalized to drink baby milk from another species, to the point that it seems completely normal, but each to their own.
It’s crazy how many people have never been weaned
I just don’t understand why such companies can still sell in the EU after such severe safety violations.