• revelrous@sopuli.xyz
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      Don’t vote -> ??? -> World peace

      Draw me the rest of the fucking owl. I’ve yet to hear a plan as to how not voting actually helps anyone.

      I have no illusions what Biden is. Or what Trump is. Vote.

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      How much are you getting paid? I only wish I was as passionate about my job as you are about yours.

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        The problem’s voting for the candidate doesn’t work either. Or Voting 3rd party. Or Voting Republican. Or primarying in a more leftist candidate (because they often fight and lose to the DNC).

        Apparently, neither does going on record as not voting for him as a protest. Hmmmm… what was the way to move the Democrats left?

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          Election reform. When third parties are viable options (they are absolutely not now and just create a spoiler effect that works against your side), politics will need to shift to accommodate those interests. Push for Ranked Choice Voting and more!

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      What do you suggest the left do? I know you’ve said you believe in protesting at the polls. What’s step two?

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        Centrist Dems went back to brunch and got lazy once Biden won. Maybe we need a fire lit under people’s asses to get them in the streets and fighting for change again.

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          Garbage babe. Utter dog pile. Tripe. Sweetheart, let auntie cup your bright little cheeks between her hands, look you in eye, and tell you things you dont want to hear.

          Trump wants to use lethal force on protesters and half the country will cheer him on while he does it. Both sides are not the same. The 2025 project will get rid of all those pesky civil servants that stood in the way the last time he suggested it and the US is great at marginalizing ‘militant’ actors.

          ‘Fine people on both sides’ do you not remember? Were you too young to pay attention? Under trump we will lose a ‘fight in the streets.’ Go read some about the histories of what happens to all the good little leftists when the gloves come off.

          It doesn’t matter if you were right. The state will make up an excuse as to why you deserved it, and enough people will buy it or be too afraid to make themselves a target by protesting. The boat will not rock, the needle of the cause will not move. For example: how much time did your school spend on the battle of Blair Mountain? We’ve tried this before, again and again, and the military buries the evidence and we forget.

          The better agent of change, albeit slow and unsatisfying, is to convince people they have a conscience and should listen to it. Vote you motherfucker, it’s like wearing a seatbelt.

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          So you’re an accelerationist? You believe a Trump presidency would lead to a violent revolution that will improve the nation?

    • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
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      In good faith: did you hear anyone actually say this? Biden’s a Clinton Democrat: more friendly to big business than to the working class. He was never going to be a class-leftist, and nobody promised he would be.

      But he has been socially liberal, and he didn’t need any nudging. He was always socially liberal.

      And those are your choices, for better or worse: an economically right-leaning, socially left-leaning old white man; or an economically hard-right, socially hard-right old white man.

      The only way to fix this is to get rid of the electoral college and implement something other than first-past-the-post voting. Not voting is not going to fix it. In the meantime, you try to get the guy elected who isn’t trying to instigate a dictatorship.