• Crack0n7uesday@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    While I want this to end as much as most people, a ceasefire is not the same as a peace agreement. North and South Korea have had a ceasefire since before I was born, but they constantly try to scare the world into thinking it could end at any moment, WW2 ended with a peace treaty, and the Nazi regime was officially removed from power as part of the treaty.

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      8 months ago

      Of course it’s only a matter of time until israel starts violating the ceasefire as they always do.

      But at least Netanyahu will go to jail first.

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          8 months ago

          nobody thinks israel is going to break the ceasefire because they’re jewish. they think that because of israel’s well-documented history of repeatedly breaking ceasefires.

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              I don’t even know how to respond to this, it’s that fucking ridiculous.

              Soon simply criticizing a Jewish person will be anti-semitic to people like you.

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                  8 months ago

                  If South Africa has been a corrupt shithole for 10 years, it doesn’t somehow magically become not-a-shithole because the president changes.

                  The potential for it to become not-a-shithole is there. It is not somehow magically fixed because one person is changed.

                  I can’t fucking believe I have to explain this shit, Jesus christ you people are the reason no one understands why Biden isn’t responsible for inflation.

                  • And i can’t fucking believe that you know how a government works.

                    If you swap the people responsible for things with other people responsible for things, these new people will act differently

                    Is that that hard to understand?!

                    Btw, Biden and Inflation can’t be compared here, since inflation is a complex problem that is largely out of the hands of politicians. Just look at china. It has absolute political power, fighting Inflation is a priority target, yet they still can’t do it. Why? Because inflation is a Economic Problem, not a Political one. To quote you:

                    I can’t fucking believe I have to explain this shit

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          8 months ago

          Expecting Israel to abide by ceasefire agreements is like expecting the US to abide by treaties with native tribes.

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          Maybe… But I believe they were talking about the Israeli state, which isn’t just being held hostage by one deranged man.

          Maybe not as bad as Netanyahu, but there are plenty of conservative death worshipers waiting in the wings to take his place.

          I imagine plenty of progressives too, but I worry not enough

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              8 months ago

              Israel seems like a pretty antisemetic country to me:

              Any Jew who immigrates to Israel as an oleh (Jewish immigrant) under the Law of Return automatically becomes an Israeli citizen. In this context, a Jew means a person born to a Jewish mother, or someone who has converted to Judaism and does not adhere to another religion. This right to citizenship extends to any children or grandchildren of a Jew, as well as the spouse of a Jew, or the spouse of a child or grandchild of a Jew. A Jew who voluntarily converts to another religion forfeits their right to claim citizenship under this provision.

              Foreigners may naturalize as Israeli citizens after residing in Israel for at least three of the previous five years while holding permanent residency. Candidates must be physically present in the country at the time of application, be able to demonstrate knowledge of the Hebrew language, have the intention of permanently settling in Israel, and renounce any foreign nationalities. Although Arabic was previously an official language and has a special recognized status, there is no similar knowledge stipulation for it as part of the naturalization process. All of these requirements may be partially or completely waived for a candidate if they: served in the Israel Defense Forces or suffered the loss of a child during their military service period, are a minor child of a naturalized parent or Israeli resident, or made extraordinary contributions to Israel. Successful applicants are required to swear an oath of allegiance to the State of Israel.

              Dual/multiple citizenship is explicitly allowed for an oleh who becomes Israeli by right of return. This is to encourage the overseas Jewish diaspora to migrate to Israel without forcing them to lose their previous national statuses. By contrast, naturalization candidates are required to renounce their original nationalities to obtain citizenship. Persons opting to naturalize are typically individuals who migrate to Israel for employment or family reasons, or are permanent residents of East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights.

              Male spouses under 35 and female spouses under 25 ordinarily resident in the Judea and Samaria Area (administrative division for the West Bank under Israeli law) outside of Israeli settlements are prohibited from obtaining citizenship and residency until reaching the relevant age. The 2003 Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law effectively discouraged further marriages between Israeli citizens and Palestinians by adding cumbersome administrative barriers that made legal cohabitation prohibitively difficult for affected couples. About 12,700 Palestinians married to Israeli citizens are prevented from obtaining citizenship under these restrictions. Affected persons are only allowed to remain in Israel on temporary permits, which would lapse on the death of their spouses or if they were to fail to receive regular reapproval by the Israeli government.

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      8 months ago

      either way a ceasefire would stop a lot of immediate deaths, and give both party a lot of time to figure their shit out.

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        8 months ago

        Ben dude doesn’t want to give Palestinians a chance to regroup while he faces his own political discord at home in Israel. I am only looking at this from an outside perspective, I could be wrong. It’s not a bad strategy, Russia be doing it for years now.

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      8 months ago

      Sure, but at least a short period of people not being bombed or killed sounds great.