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      9 months ago

      I fucked this girl the other day.

      She gave me herpes.

      How the hell does a nine year old get herpes?

      I think my sister has been spending too much time with Dad.

      (I’m not a child molester, but by your logic I’ll end up as one)

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      The thing you seem to misunderstand is the difference between a joke, and the subject of a joke. The latter is of course not funny. But no children were harmed in the former.

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          I get what you’re saying. But I also don’t think it is as clear cut as what you’re making it out to be. There has been cultural acceptance for things that shouldn’t be acceptable at. That’s still the case now. The nuances for jokes in this role, I’m sure are subject for more than one doctoral dissertation.

          I also stand a little bit corrected, because I don’t mean that all jokes are OK. I think however that all subjects, are. When the premise of the punchline depends on the controversial subject being OK, it fails at doing so, and I would agree with you.

          For example, there is a huge difference between a joke that is funny because it predicates and reinforces a stereotype that “black people are X”, vs a joke that makes fun of the stereotype itself that “black people are X”. The latter is OK. Doesn’t mean everyone should find it funny. But it can certainly serve to ridicule the stereotype itself.

          Which brings me to this:

          No rape joke is funny, and harms rape victims by making light of their suffering.

          Why do you think all of them “makes light of their suffering”? I would argue that it depends entirely on the joke, the context, and the punchline itself. The joke in question in the comic here, does no such thing. The joke is the classic “set up a expectation => subvert it”, and what it does, if anything, is bring attention to “rape happens”, and “rapists exist”. Awareness of that, is a good thing, no? Isn’t it more harmful to make rape tabu, almost as if pretending it doesn’t happen, and that rapists don’t exist?

          Which is why I’d like to argue the exact opposite of what you suggest. And this to say that comedy is an extremely important mechanism, if used right, to bring attention to problems that should be talked about. Especially uncomfortable subjects. It can educate, bring awareness, and challenge stereotypes or established societal constructs. All subjects are therefore OK. It doesn’t mean all jokes are funny.

          Tl;dr: context matters.

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              Did… you simply just downvote my comment, not address anything in it, and answer the hypothetical question? Did you even read it? No one is “forcing” anyone here. If you don’t understand a basic concept of human language and interaction… you won’t be able to identify what the actual problems are, which undermines efforts to improve the situation. Your complaints would be rightfully ignored.

              It’s the same type of argument that suggests “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” should be banned, because it “forces” people who experience systemic racism to be exposed to it in a literary work. Again. Context fucking matters. People who don’t get that and complain, are either virtue signalling or attention seeking (or both), in either case, ignored to the benefit of all.

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                  Imagine feeling so strongly about this, yet not understand why if anyone actually cared and listened to your opinion, it would make the very problem you want to address, worse. I’m not trying to convince you of anything either… I’m explaining the function of humour to address difficult to talk about topics. And you’re going “no! No one should talk about it in any other way than in the seriousness of which it is” lalalacanthearyou. “… well, people simply don’t talk about it then. Is that what you want?”. lalala.

                  You do you.

                  Whether or not you want to be wrong about this, is entirely up to you. It has no effect on me. I’m just trying to help you out here. Seems it really it’s of no interest to you, which means I’m just wasting my time. You might as well just move on. I certainly will. Have a good one.

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          I think this is definitely true, but it doesn’t just blanket apply to any joke that mentions these topics. Jokes where people “pretend” to say sexist or abusive ideas, but the joke is that “I’m actually a nice person, I obviously don’t really mean this” (eg “no means yes, and yes means harder, amirite guys ;-)” or “if there’s grass on the wicket, it’s ready for cricket, lol”), can definitely be harmful even if not many that way. It normalises those attitudes, and can make abusers feel like they have more support from society than they really do. But in this comic the character comes across as a psychopath, proudly announcing something that is clearly wrong, and the other one calls the police. I don’t feel like anyone is getting some message that actually it’s totally normal to have sex with ten year olds…

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        The thing you seem to misunderstand is that this comic relies on someone raping a child as the subject of joke to make enough sense for the joke to be funny.

        And if you need to rely on child rape for your jokes to land… you’re not funny.

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          “Ya know, the Nazi’s had pieces of flair… They made the Jews wear them”

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      Wordplay is funny.

      Go do something with your angst like defeat Voldemort or join the dark side.

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      What is funny? Jokes are weird to think about, but it generally relies on setting up an expectation and then surprising us in some way. Here it’s that when he uses the phrase ‘a perfect ten’, we assume he’s referring to a highly attractive (adult) woman, then in the next panel we see he means ten as an age, which gives our brains a little stumble, a mismatch between the pattern we were expecting/predicting and what happend. For some reason, this little thing of setting up am expectation then subverting it tickles our brain in a way that makes it a joke. Having the reveal also be a topic like child rape that is so taboo and so unacceptable just increases this effect of how unexpected it is, this is generally what ‘dark humour’ is going for (works for some people, for others it just takes it too far, to where their emotions/associations about the bad thing far outweigh any humour, and put them into a state where they’re not really able to find anything funny). Anyway, you don’t have to like it, but it seems pointless to try to argue that certain subjects are not suitable for jokes. Some people like these jokes, you don’t, and that by itself doesn’t make either of you bad people.

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      Funnier than the 10 year old girls locked up in my basement for sure. They truly have no sense of humor.

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      It’s funny to me that this is down-voted more than the highest up-voted comment.