To be fair it’s not fair to judge someone on the acts of their supporters unless they endorse or encourage those acts. We have an ocean of things to hit Trump with, we don’t need to artificially increase its size.
You’re taking something a Trump voter did and using that action to judge Trump. This is, in general, not something that I endorse unless the person being followed (Trump in this case) encourages the behavior. Although Trump has encouraged violence in the past, I’m not sure if he’s extended that encouragement to Haley? I don’t follow this that closely. I suppose it’s valid to blame him for generally encouraging violent actions, though… one more immoral act for the pile!
You missed my point entirely. I’m not defending Rump. I’m saying we should use the things he’s actually done-- like those you listed-- as our ammunition.
Look we don’t really need a devil’s advocate for a guy that makes biblical Satan seem pretty chill. I get you like being contrarian but there’s better places to put that energy than the flaming shit pile that is Trump and his rabid followers.
I’m not doing this to defend Trump, I’m doing it to ensure our side is bulletproof from any accusations of mischaracterization, as good practice. We have plenty of ammunition to use, and we should use it. We don’t need to make any stretches to win.
I’m aware that they don’t care. We should still care, because if we intend to stand for the truth then we should make good on that promise.
you claim to be allied with
Check my post history, I’m not pretending. I don’t really care if I make people a little annoyed, because my goal is to ensure any arguments they make are consistent, which is basically guaranteed to make some people mad.
Are you proud of yourself?
I mean no not really, this thread was a disaster. My argument was poorly chosen and I don’t think most people got the point even if it hadn’t been. We did get a massive list of Trump’s minions attacking people out of it at least, but that’s not really on me.
Nah, they gotta be discouraging it harshly to not be to blame.
Literally anything less will always get read by these actors as at the most a covert endorsement made to look like a condemnation for “the mainstream media”
To be fair it’s not fair to judge someone on the acts of their supporters unless they endorse or encourage those acts. We have an ocean of things to hit Trump with, we don’t need to artificially increase its size.
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You’re taking something a Trump voter did and using that action to judge Trump. This is, in general, not something that I endorse unless the person being followed (Trump in this case) encourages the behavior. Although Trump has encouraged violence in the past, I’m not sure if he’s extended that encouragement to Haley? I don’t follow this that closely. I suppose it’s valid to blame him for generally encouraging violent actions, though… one more immoral act for the pile!
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You missed my point entirely. I’m not defending Rump. I’m saying we should use the things he’s actually done-- like those you listed-- as our ammunition.
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That’s not what you did, but whatever. I’m not going to waste both of our time arguing about this.
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Now that I agree with.
Look we don’t really need a devil’s advocate for a guy that makes biblical Satan seem pretty chill. I get you like being contrarian but there’s better places to put that energy than the flaming shit pile that is Trump and his rabid followers.
I’m not doing this to defend Trump, I’m doing it to ensure our side is bulletproof from any accusations of mischaracterization, as good practice. We have plenty of ammunition to use, and we should use it. We don’t need to make any stretches to win.
They don’t fucking care how bulletproof our arguments are. In this thread, you have accomplished nothing but to piss off everybody you claim to be allied with. Are you proud of yourself?
I’m aware that they don’t care. We should still care, because if we intend to stand for the truth then we should make good on that promise.
Check my post history, I’m not pretending. I don’t really care if I make people a little annoyed, because my goal is to ensure any arguments they make are consistent, which is basically guaranteed to make some people mad.
I mean no not really, this thread was a disaster. My argument was poorly chosen and I don’t think most people got the point even if it hadn’t been. We did get a massive list of Trump’s minions attacking people out of it at least, but that’s not really on me.
Nah, they gotta be discouraging it harshly to not be to blame.
Literally anything less will always get read by these actors as at the most a covert endorsement made to look like a condemnation for “the mainstream media”
The old chicken and egg of politics.
Do politicians represent their constituency? Or is it the other way around? Hmmmmmmm.