• SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
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      It might depend on what you mean by forced, but I meant it more as a hypothetical. the “my body, my choice” argument doesn’t logically differentiate between the two things.

      Explain in simple english want you meant by this, then.

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        How much simpler can I get?

        “My body, my choice” is not a sound stance supporting abortion because

        1. it doesn’t only involve the pregnant person’s body; the entire conflict is because there is a zygote in the situation, as well
        2. it sets up a defense against requiring vaccinations as a mandate to interact with society. Unless you mean to say that it’s okay if a woman is given the ““choice”” if abortion while also giving them an excessive consequence for making that choice
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          If the zygote wants to speak up against it then it should be listened to.

          I saw groups of unvaccinated people legally hanging out throughout the COVID times, so can you elaborate on 'requiring vaccinations as a mandate to interact with society, please?

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            If the zygote wants to speak up against it then it should be listened to.

            This is an absolutely terrifying stance to take. It implies that one’s ability to object is a requirement before the law or society should consider protections. Yikes

            so can you elaborate

            No. I already explained it was just a hypothetical to point out the lack of logical soundness for the “my body, my choice” rebuttal. I see no reason to continue to flesh out a high level hypothetical.

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              Who do you think should be making decisions for the zygote then?

              Thanks for admitting that you made up the second point, that’ll make the rest of this conversation easier.

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                You seem to be very befuddled. Do you not understand what a hypothetical situation is for, or how it works? Of course I made it up.

                Society often makes decisions for people who cannot be counted on to make their own. Like, child labor laws.

                Remember: My stance is that whether or not pregnant people should have a choice to have an abortion is a matter of debate, not an objective fact. I am already pro-choice.

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                  How am I ‘very befuddled’? We are both in agreement that it’s a made up situation that you won’t elaborate on.

                  My stance is an abortion is between a woman and her doctor and it is not something that matters to anyone else so it’s a topic that doesn’t need to be debated.