Sure, HOWEVER, not being vaccinated puts society as a whole at risk. So, there are two options, be part of society, and get vaccinated, OR, don’t get vaccinated, and don’t be part of society. It’s like wearing clothes in public. I sure as fuck don’t want to wear clothes, like ever, but I do, so I can be part of society.
An abortion affects the mother ONLY. Not an apples to apples comparison at all.
No, the “zygote” doesn’t have the ability to live without the life support from the mother. It isn’t sentient. It isn’t a fully developed being. It’s a clump of cells. It doesn’t get a say in the matter. Mostly because it can’t.
I see this sentiment pop up for often than I’d like. Are you implying that the only people worth protecting are people that can articulate that they need protection? Surely not (I sure hope not!) so what are you implying here? Silence is acceptance?
Ok, let’s use your silly argument. In the US, if someone isn’t capable of making decisions/speaking for themselves, someone is appointed power of attorney, and they make the decision for them. That’s their voice.
In the case of me, a potentially pregnant woman (not really I fixed that) having an unwanted pregnancy, the embryo, can’t say anything so the person, me, “carrying” the pregnancy is defacto power of attorney/voice for said embryo. So, no, they don’t have a say, but I do.
Sure, HOWEVER, not being vaccinated puts society as a whole at risk. So, there are two options, be part of society, and get vaccinated, OR, don’t get vaccinated, and don’t be part of society. It’s like wearing clothes in public. I sure as fuck don’t want to wear clothes, like ever, but I do, so I can be part of society.
An abortion affects the mother ONLY. Not an apples to apples comparison at all.
You forgot the zygote.
No, the “zygote” doesn’t have the ability to live without the life support from the mother. It isn’t sentient. It isn’t a fully developed being. It’s a clump of cells. It doesn’t get a say in the matter. Mostly because it can’t.
I see this sentiment pop up for often than I’d like. Are you implying that the only people worth protecting are people that can articulate that they need protection? Surely not (I sure hope not!) so what are you implying here? Silence is acceptance?
Ok, let’s use your silly argument. In the US, if someone isn’t capable of making decisions/speaking for themselves, someone is appointed power of attorney, and they make the decision for them. That’s their voice.
In the case of me, a potentially pregnant woman (not really I fixed that) having an unwanted pregnancy, the embryo, can’t say anything so the person, me, “carrying” the pregnancy is defacto power of attorney/voice for said embryo. So, no, they don’t have a say, but I do.
What is it you think I’m arguing here? It’s not that pregnant people should not be allowed the choice to have an abortion.
I also am pretty sure we’re having the same discussion in multiple threads. If you are comfortable with it, feel free to collapse them all into one.