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    no one can, not even those who advocate for it. (aside from “not that thing that was repeatedly tried and failed”)

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          common ownership and control of the means of production in a classless moneyless stateless society governed via collective mutual determination or similar horizontal system of power.

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            oh, i see, makes sense then why it was never tried. how are we going to have a society without a state to govern it? (i mean not to concern troll here, if a solution can be created for this that would be genuinely interesting, but for example that council the soviets created a century ago was clearly a state)

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              how? abolish the standing beaurocratic heirarchy which perpetuates and expends its own power and the interest of the ruling class by inflicting violence on the working class. what that looks like depends on how the people who make up a community choose to govern themselves.

              realistically I don’t expect a revolution of the proletariat to take place, so I promote the institution of robust mutual aid networks, radical solidarity (organized labor, intersectional liberatory philosophy), and resilient autonomous communities, to compete with the prevailing system of power.

              attempts at anarchist-adjacent organizing have existed, and continue to in some communities, though of course execution varies, as does identity.

              the USSR was not an attempt towards a stateless society, being a state-capitalist imperialist kleptocracy.