• schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works
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    9 hours ago

    I’m starting to think “affordability” is just weasely shit for little administrative fixes.

    I want to start hearing about massive trust busting and I want to hear talk about the income crisis and dismantling all the tools and methods that employers bring to bear to drive wages down.

    In other words, I want to hear some language that is undeniably leftist about changing the structure of the economy, not bland phrases for tinkering around the edges.

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      4 hours ago

      While I agree, I’m not really sure how feasible that is in the current makeup? You’re talking about changes that need at least a two thirds majority are you not?

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        I said I want to start hearing about It. The Dem Party desperately needs to at least re-brand. We’re not going to get the reforms we need without arguing for them.

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          While I agree, I also know that is going to turn into “all they’ve done is talk about it” come the next election cycle.

          Dems taking the majority has been great for the country short term, but I feel like it’s going to hurt the country in the mid-term as they are only going to be able to reel back the insanity, and not actually institute any “real” changes to point at two years from now.

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            Compare that to the alternative–we don’t propose a long-term goal and just make short-term changes that are barely noticeable and easily reversed.

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      8 hours ago

      Centrists only use that word because it polls well. They stole it from Mamdami even though they hate him.

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        Bernie has been discussing and proposing affordability legislation long before Zohran was a politician.

        For example -Consumer Affordability and Responsibility Enhancement (CARE) Act

        Prescription Drug Affordability Act of 2015

        College for all plan

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        8 hours ago

        We have to get ahead and start actively making a case for socialism, or Republicans will keep having an edge in public debates.

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          The majority of Americans support most progressive goals. Even conservatives. Once you call it socialism they are against it because indoctrination is hard to shake.

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        8 hours ago

        For those reading these threads where there’s always a few doomer anti-hope comments: I urge you to call out and block these entirely unhelpful commenters. If you notice, those asking us to abandon hope, even though there is reason for it, do not pair any “criticism” with a call to action. In cases where that happens, that is helpful and not what I’m calling out. Regardless of why doomers are spreading gloom or what they think that will accomplish, paying them any attention can only ever lead to inaction, mental anguish, and helping fascist ideas gain traction across the world. Perhaps if enough of us block these users, they’ll start to feel like their anti-hope messaging campaigns are futile.

        Do NOT lose hope. For Americans: contact your state representatives, get active with progressive political organizations, and do everything you can to affect change.

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          Dont just “have hope”. Do something about it. Hope is often used as an excuse to wait for the status quo to solve your problems with no effoirt and we are way past that. No one is coming to help any of us. Not the Democratic partyt leadership for sure, unless we MAKE them. The time for this sort of anger was really before the midterm, but now is second best.

        • 🇨🇦GreenBeard🇨🇦@lemmy.ca
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          I would be cautious not to shut out opportunities to tell people there is a way to work for something better, but yes, particularly on the activism side, get busy participating with local progressive groups. We may not all have the money to buy our own politician, but working together a few hours and some helpful hands can go a long way.

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            It’s definitely started to feel like the doomers aren’t really here for dialog though.

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            I have him tagged as “echo chamber liberal.” I don’t remember the interaction that lead to that tag but I have seen him pop up several times since and every time he goes ahead and confirms it for me.

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              Way to stand up for the doomers. It “proves you right” that I’m all for an echo chamber even when I specifically say that criticism with a call to action is good. So we see which side you’re on. Thanks for confirmation of my tag for you also.

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                Doomers are an important part of reality. Bots and trolls not so much. It’s ok to be a doomer a lot of the time it’s a sober look at shit that people don’t have the will or capacity to see. I’ve been called a doomer so much that I bristle at the term because it’s a coping pajorative.

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                  I disagree. Critics are important. Encouraging others to lose hope is a terrible and useless thing to do.

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                    And who is the judge and jury? You? The climate crisis is comming for everyone. And that should make you more fucking afraid than anything. And you know what because of humanity’s stupidity and in action there is nothing we can do to stop it now, hell, we can barely even slow it down at this point. And dem centrists are a click away from fascists. And America has a tendency to scew fascist and racist even when Dems are in power.

                    I’ve been engaged for longer than you’ve been alive. Sometimes reality can suck the motivation out of you because it’s so daunting but it’s better to dispel one lie than gain a thousand truths. And that’s the problem with reality is that it’s beautiful and horrifying and you must take them both or you tilt at dreams.

                    Edit: And corpo dems enable the pedophile king. Because they all belong to the meta party of money not democracy. At time comes for us all! And there’s nothing anyone can do about it. Ha!