Just because it turned out to be a disappointment doesn’t mean the exuberance was irrational. And that certainly doesn’t mean we shouldn’t feel optimistic right now. In fact that very thing was discussed in the article I got this screenshot from.
Here are some more:
There are ways to engage with this rationally and productively, in a grounded and balanced way. And there are ways not to.
And honestly, I’m getting tired of all this bitterness and doomerism that seems to be coming out in force after the recent successes in the election. I already had enough of my own bitterness and cynicism over the past two years. Can you let me feel hopeful for once?
Maybe it’s just amplified on this community. I don’t usually post here; is it always like this?
But assuming you’re being genuine and you actually do care and that you’re just feeling hopeless, that’s valid. But consider that spreading your hopelessness and despair like this can function as a sort of psychological contagion, and if you dampen enough people’s spirits then you can really start to extinguish the excitement and momentum that we’re building towards possibly doing something different this time.
So like… if you don’t want to be a part of the problem then be a part of the solution, or at least sit this one out on the sidelines. Because a favorable wind is rising, and we don’t need you rending holes in our sails at this key moment in time.
If you want to contribute to making sure we don’t repeat the mistakes of the past, then maybe you could help advocate for choosing different congressional leadership.
I think it would be easier not to feel the cold rain if Day 1 wasn’t a 24hr wall of “Jeffries House Soeaker!!!” “Schumer says” spam clogging the attempted hope scroll. Didn’t we just vote against that, what is even happening, I thought progress won, but…
It’s mainly a niche Reddit and Lemmy convo. Schumer is breaking through such that my sense of the news pulse right now is that replacement may be allowed. But not Jeffries. That appears to be a wall.
Yeah, but we don’t have much time. 2 yrs to build and then it’s 2028.
You know who else is poking his head up in the mainstream flows? Buttigieg. He’d already started pre-campaigning for a 2028 Presidency, then hid like the rest of them. He’s the most attractive establishment Dem the DNC has. (That’s not an endorsement, just my read of the situation.) My money is on him as their main for 2028.
I’m aware. I feel the urgency. But that’s precisely why I don’t have time to waste despairing over the battles that can’t be won quite yet. Gotta focus on the things we can do.
Honestly Buttigieg seemed okay until he shut down that railroad workers’ strike. He would be better than another maga admin though.
And even if we end up with an establishment dem in 2029, they can at least do some cleanup and restoration/demagafication. And if that’s enough to keep people’s hopes up, there’s always 2032 and 2036. As long as we stop backsliding, I’m okay with small steps forward.
We obviously need aggressive climate action now. And healthcare reform. There are plenty of other priorities too, but these two I think we may be able to accomplish even using a less-than-ideal standard-bearer.
I’m just trying to stay hopeful, because sometimes it feels like hope is all I have left.
I don’t think climate action will have the appeal we all want. But you can do it under “affordable energy” and “lower electric bills” and win. Hard focus “cheaper electricity” and you have a win. Science talk makes so many people glaze over, sadly. I see it weekly, at work. Even when they try to listen, because their lives literally depend on it, they often lose the narrative.
But everyone understands “lower monthly electric bill”.
Your timeline doesn’t work though. We can’t afford our lives right fucking now. We need the fix TODAY, not 4 years from now.
You’re so right about that. And it’s really sad and disappointing, but it’s true.
You tell the people “we need to convert the grid to renewables or else we’re going to cause a mass extinction event which will likely result in the widespread destruction of human society, and almost certainly will cause enormous amounts of avoidable suffering” and they don’t care because I guess it seems too abstract and far off (it’s not that far off) or because the scale is too massive or too unprecedented for them to comprehend. Or because they’ve been brainwashed to believe it’s a hoax. Or conditioned to think it’s a lost cause and have already given up hope.
But if you tell them “We need to convert the grid to renewables because they’re cheaper than fossil fuels” then suddenly people support it.
And if that’s the messaging that works, it’s what we need to run with.
And yeah I know shit is expensive and people are suffering. Ideally we’ll get a progressive trifecta in 2028 and solve everything in one go. If I could promise you that, I would, but I obviously can’t.
Even if we get an establishment dem in 2028 though, as long as it’s not a Blue Dog or a Third Way then I think there’s a good chance they’ll push for climate action and renewable energy.
That’s not the only thing that needs reform of course but I have a fucking headache so I’m not gonna list all the shit that we needed to be doing six fucking years ago if we wanted to save the world.
Just because it turned out to be a disappointment doesn’t mean the exuberance was irrational. And that certainly doesn’t mean we shouldn’t feel optimistic right now. In fact that very thing was discussed in the article I got this screenshot from.
Here are some more:
There are ways to engage with this rationally and productively, in a grounded and balanced way. And there are ways not to.
And honestly, I’m getting tired of all this bitterness and doomerism that seems to be coming out in force after the recent successes in the election. I already had enough of my own bitterness and cynicism over the past two years. Can you let me feel hopeful for once?
Maybe it’s just amplified on this community. I don’t usually post here; is it always like this?
But assuming you’re being genuine and you actually do care and that you’re just feeling hopeless, that’s valid. But consider that spreading your hopelessness and despair like this can function as a sort of psychological contagion, and if you dampen enough people’s spirits then you can really start to extinguish the excitement and momentum that we’re building towards possibly doing something different this time.
So like… if you don’t want to be a part of the problem then be a part of the solution, or at least sit this one out on the sidelines. Because a favorable wind is rising, and we don’t need you rending holes in our sails at this key moment in time.
If you want to contribute to making sure we don’t repeat the mistakes of the past, then maybe you could help advocate for choosing different congressional leadership.
I think it would be easier not to feel the cold rain if Day 1 wasn’t a 24hr wall of “Jeffries House Soeaker!!!” “Schumer says” spam clogging the attempted hope scroll. Didn’t we just vote against that, what is even happening, I thought progress won, but…
And here we are.
Wait have you missed the whole conversation around “No Schumer, No Jeffries” and “Choose someone else!”?
It’s mainly a niche Reddit and Lemmy convo. Schumer is breaking through such that my sense of the news pulse right now is that replacement may be allowed. But not Jeffries. That appears to be a wall.
I’ll take the victories we can achieve and I’ll set my sights forward to the day we can achieve the rest.
Ousting Schumer as SML in itself would be huge. And Jeffries’ seat is up for reelection every two years.
Yeah, but we don’t have much time. 2 yrs to build and then it’s 2028.
You know who else is poking his head up in the mainstream flows? Buttigieg. He’d already started pre-campaigning for a 2028 Presidency, then hid like the rest of them. He’s the most attractive establishment Dem the DNC has. (That’s not an endorsement, just my read of the situation.) My money is on him as their main for 2028.
I’m aware. I feel the urgency. But that’s precisely why I don’t have time to waste despairing over the battles that can’t be won quite yet. Gotta focus on the things we can do.
Honestly Buttigieg seemed okay until he shut down that railroad workers’ strike. He would be better than another maga admin though.
And even if we end up with an establishment dem in 2029, they can at least do some cleanup and restoration/demagafication. And if that’s enough to keep people’s hopes up, there’s always 2032 and 2036. As long as we stop backsliding, I’m okay with small steps forward.
We obviously need aggressive climate action now. And healthcare reform. There are plenty of other priorities too, but these two I think we may be able to accomplish even using a less-than-ideal standard-bearer.
I’m just trying to stay hopeful, because sometimes it feels like hope is all I have left.
I don’t think climate action will have the appeal we all want. But you can do it under “affordable energy” and “lower electric bills” and win. Hard focus “cheaper electricity” and you have a win. Science talk makes so many people glaze over, sadly. I see it weekly, at work. Even when they try to listen, because their lives literally depend on it, they often lose the narrative.
But everyone understands “lower monthly electric bill”.
Your timeline doesn’t work though. We can’t afford our lives right fucking now. We need the fix TODAY, not 4 years from now.
You’re so right about that. And it’s really sad and disappointing, but it’s true.
You tell the people “we need to convert the grid to renewables or else we’re going to cause a mass extinction event which will likely result in the widespread destruction of human society, and almost certainly will cause enormous amounts of avoidable suffering” and they don’t care because I guess it seems too abstract and far off (it’s not that far off) or because the scale is too massive or too unprecedented for them to comprehend. Or because they’ve been brainwashed to believe it’s a hoax. Or conditioned to think it’s a lost cause and have already given up hope.
But if you tell them “We need to convert the grid to renewables because they’re cheaper than fossil fuels” then suddenly people support it.
And if that’s the messaging that works, it’s what we need to run with.
And yeah I know shit is expensive and people are suffering. Ideally we’ll get a progressive trifecta in 2028 and solve everything in one go. If I could promise you that, I would, but I obviously can’t.
Even if we get an establishment dem in 2028 though, as long as it’s not a Blue Dog or a Third Way then I think there’s a good chance they’ll push for climate action and renewable energy.
That’s not the only thing that needs reform of course but I have a fucking headache so I’m not gonna list all the shit that we needed to be doing six fucking years ago if we wanted to save the world.