This doesn’t matter. You are just too emotionally fixated on the details of the crime to have a good faith conversation about the constitutional implications of state sanctioned torture.
Torture is explicitly forbidden by the Constitution. You cannot use it to punish some, and if you do, that person deserves restitution, prior crimes notwithstanding.
I already said in this thread multiple times that the state shouldn’t be able to murder people. We shouldn’t be here. She should just be sitting in a cell learning about her own brain and getting psychological help. But here are we. And everyone calling for her immediate freedom forget she has received no help and brutally, violently murdered someone with 2 other people. If the world would be how I want it to be, they’d be left to their community’s judgment. But modern people dont grow up in tightknit communities like we are supposed to. At least most of us dont anymore.
That’s great and all, but the reality is that she was neither jailed for life or executed, she was tortured, and she deserves restitution because, despite her conviction, she still has constitutional rights.
You keep trying to handwave her rights away with appeals to disgust. I don’t give a shit about whatever emotional reaction details of the original crime brings you. If you don’t respect the constitutional protection against torture, you’re deeply in the wrong.
Pike may have perpetrated a crime, but she is also a victim of state abuse. The former doesn’t invalidate the latter.
but the reality is that she was neither jailed for life or executed, she was tortured
Never said she was, have been saying this entire time she was just tortured.
You keep trying to handwave her rights away with appeals to disgust
She already waived somebody else’s rights completely away. That has consequences. Am I the only one who remembers this? Only one in this thread who fucken cares she ended someone else’s existence over admitted jealousy? Go read the court docs, watch her interview. She said it herself. Yes, I am making appeals to disgust. What she did was disgusting, no matter her own dark past. That doesnt mean what the state did was right, that doesnt mean what she did was right. Its a shit fest.
So you admit she was tortured, but don’t think she deserves any amount of restitution for having her constitutional rights violated. There’s only one way to read this: you don’t care if her constitutional rights were violated, and are happy to use her crimes as justification for it.
She already waived somebody else’s rights completely away.
This is the exact same argument the Trump admin has used to deny immigrants due process before deportation. You talk like a fucking fascist.
I already told you what I think should happen and you choose to ignore it to put words in my mouth so you can outlive your moral fantasy right now. If you aren’t going to bother conversing and instead want to shoot accusations, I am not going to continue.
Again, having a horrid past does not excuse her actions. The murder still took place and the stated reasoning was jealousy.
Nothing excuses her crimes, but being tortured should absolutely excuse her conviction.
I’m sure her victim would feel great about that, or you know, nothing at all because she smashed her head in with a piece of asphalt.
This doesn’t matter. You are just too emotionally fixated on the details of the crime to have a good faith conversation about the constitutional implications of state sanctioned torture.
Torture is explicitly forbidden by the Constitution. You cannot use it to punish some, and if you do, that person deserves restitution, prior crimes notwithstanding.
I already said in this thread multiple times that the state shouldn’t be able to murder people. We shouldn’t be here. She should just be sitting in a cell learning about her own brain and getting psychological help. But here are we. And everyone calling for her immediate freedom forget she has received no help and brutally, violently murdered someone with 2 other people. If the world would be how I want it to be, they’d be left to their community’s judgment. But modern people dont grow up in tightknit communities like we are supposed to. At least most of us dont anymore.
That’s great and all, but the reality is that she was neither jailed for life or executed, she was tortured, and she deserves restitution because, despite her conviction, she still has constitutional rights.
You keep trying to handwave her rights away with appeals to disgust. I don’t give a shit about whatever emotional reaction details of the original crime brings you. If you don’t respect the constitutional protection against torture, you’re deeply in the wrong.
Pike may have perpetrated a crime, but she is also a victim of state abuse. The former doesn’t invalidate the latter.
Never said she was, have been saying this entire time she was just tortured.
She already waived somebody else’s rights completely away. That has consequences. Am I the only one who remembers this? Only one in this thread who fucken cares she ended someone else’s existence over admitted jealousy? Go read the court docs, watch her interview. She said it herself. Yes, I am making appeals to disgust. What she did was disgusting, no matter her own dark past. That doesnt mean what the state did was right, that doesnt mean what she did was right. Its a shit fest.
So you admit she was tortured, but don’t think she deserves any amount of restitution for having her constitutional rights violated. There’s only one way to read this: you don’t care if her constitutional rights were violated, and are happy to use her crimes as justification for it.
This is the exact same argument the Trump admin has used to deny immigrants due process before deportation. You talk like a fucking fascist.
I already told you what I think should happen and you choose to ignore it to put words in my mouth so you can outlive your moral fantasy right now. If you aren’t going to bother conversing and instead want to shoot accusations, I am not going to continue.