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    2 days ago

    Transhumanism isn’t inherently anti-human. Current oligarchs are though

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      I haven’t heard it described in any way that wasn’t hostile to humanity

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        Wikipedia

        a transhuman is a being that resembles a human in most respects but who has powers and abilities beyond those of standard humans.

        Wiktionary:

        1. An enhanced human
        2. A being that transcends humanity; a superhuman being.

        Merriam-Webster:

        Trancending human limits : superhuman

        Oxford english dictionary

        Beyond the human; superhuman.

        None of those make it inherently anti-human. That’s like saying a man who wants to be a woman is also anti-man.

        If I want to be stronger or smarter or anything through technological means, why would that make me anti-human? I can even be prohuman despite being transhuman.

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          While technically correct, fascism and transhumanism are deeply intertwined in their quest to eliminate suffering through technology. That’s pretty much what the Nazis propagated with genocide as their tool of choice to achieve a “healthy race” or whatever. You will see a lot of self proclaimed transhumanists (and especially the rich ones) are really just anti-humanists in their methods. Elon Musk doesn’t want to develop brain chips to cure illnesses. He lies. He wants to own us.

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            When you say “a lot of” you are talking about less than ten people. They are just the loudest ones because they literally own their media platforms. I’m sure there are orders of magnitude more scientists and just scifi fans who dream of transhumanism for the good.

            Have you considered that maybe rich are inherently evil? Or maybe forcing the thing on other people is the evil part, not the thing itself?

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          I’m glad you found the definition. Go people who call themselves, trans humanists believe, because it is antihuman.

          Look up TESCREAL

          And no, it’s not the same as saying a trans woman is anti-man, because trans. Women don’t want to exterminate all of the men after they complete their transition.

          If you want to be stronger, go to the gym. If you want to be smarter, read more and learn critical thinking skills. Their technology will not help you realize either of those goals.

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            Look, silicon valley didn’t invent transhumanism in 2023. It’s at least half a century older. TESCREAL is clearly antihuman but just because billionaires want to use transhumanism for bad purposes doesn’t make it inherently bad. Look up definition of inherently.

            I wasn’t using word trans there because it wasn’t my point. Just because I want to improve myself with technology doesn’t make me evil. Maybe the evil part is exterminating humans, not improving humans who want to be improved. Maybe forcing an ideology on othet people is the evil part? Transhumanism itself has nothing to do with killing.

            Sentences in your last paragraph are so broke I have no idea what you are saying.

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              Look, silicon valley didn’t invent transhumanism in 2023.

              No, but it got jammed together with the rest of the TESCREAL bundle and you can’t just ignore that.

              I’m 100% in favor of human augmentation, life extension, mind uploads, all that shit.

              But they’re not in favor of something that will be for everyone. They’re in favor of something that will be reserved for an elite few so they can legally hunt us all down like deer.

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              I was doing speech to text at work, hence the broken paragraph, but I’ve fixed it now.

              I know what inherently means, that’s not exactly a $10 word, but good job.

              What technology are you imagining augmenting yourself with then?

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          Yeah… And who will be able to pay for these “upgrades”? The ones that have them, will be the “real ones”. The ones that not, will be the ones who are to eliminate, or to sell the cure for the illness of being a human without any tech inside.

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            Are you killing everyone who can’t affors as fancy phone as you? Are you killing homeless people because they don’t live in a house like you? Am I suddenly evil if I glue a helmet on my head permanently?

            Evil people will do evil stuff what ever means they want and that doesn’t make transhumanism inherently evil.

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        Exoskeletons are starting to become a serious tool for certain jobs, mostly ones centered around lifting, that’s also a part of the broader transhumanism.

        Using a technology to alter a human, in the above case to be able to lift more without injuring themselves, to become superhuman in one aspect

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          Exoskeleton is a tool, you put it on when you need it and take it back off.

          That’s not transhumanism, you’re still a human inside of the exoskeleton.

          When I drive my car to work I don’t “become part car”, I’m just using a tool. An exoskeleton is the exact same scenario.