Maybe this is a bad take from someone with no military knowledge, but I never understand how “we need bodies for the meat grinder” so let’s do conscription is often only mandatory for men?
You’re either going to shove a gun in their hand and point them in the direction to shoot, have them run some equipment/weapon, or have them in a support role. Both men and women can do those things equally well.
Any very generalized physical differences between men and women would have minimal difference in the ability to carry out their tasks.
Procreation. Long term it’s less worse if it’s half the men that get shot
So we aren’t equal then?
In terms of reproductive organs: largely not
Of course not
When it comes to the needs of the elite, and needing workers, hell no. We never have been.
This assumes human women are some kind of breeding facility, which they Are not, few men won’t impregnate many women if not for apocalyptic scenarios, there fore that argument doesn’t work. A young mother needs a lot of support, a man that just gives his semen and disappears afterwards is not very helpful in that case. Children are a multiplayer experience for a long time, not just a moment
if not for apocalyptic scenarios
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You’re thinking of only the battle itself, but if I had to guess more importantly soldiers in any time period march heavy, which does require a lot of physical strength.
The german constitution’s article 12a has a clause on drafting women for work in field hospitals, but also explicitly states they can’t be forced into combat roles.
Sounds about time for a constitution change.
With the current majorities it can only get worse.
really fucking weird comments down here. people supporting forced military service. tf
Well I guess some people know a bit of history. It’s hard to stay a free country without a military
Costa Rica’s doing OK. They figured the US keeps starting military coups in the Americas, may as well remove that attack vector. Nobody’s calling them a superpower though.
It’s a demographic problem where the young feel fucked over by the old. The old are the electorate and the young always get the shit end of the stick.
They won’t afford anything ever, please pay boomers pension oh and please die for your country.
Boomers were conscripted, too.
Some of the older, really damaged boomers I’ve known in my life are pro forced military service at 18. They think it will harden the youth because either they were forced into it ir they don’t understand that their trauma damaged them, it made them compassionless, not stronger/better.
If anything, the Bundeswehr should simply copy the Finnish Reserve model. One better be prepared for the fucking Muscovites as a possible deterrence, because they are far from finished. As long as Vlad receives public support, he can continue to send troops into the meat grinder and that is how the Russians wear you down. They do not give a rat’s ass about losses. Nobody with a sane mind would want to be occupied by the Russians.
I think people live in a fairy tale.
Or they understand the only realistic military threat they could face is a second-rate power unable to conquer its much smaller nextdoor neighbor.
That’s right Ukraine is just waving that off without a sweat
Okay let me put it like this: Germany is spending more annually on its military than Ukraine ($84 billion vs $114 billion in 2025) despite only the latter being at war. The economic and technological ability to wage war isn’t even comparable between those two countries. Now of course war is about more than just money, but in industrial warfare money does matter a lot. So does industrial capacity, which again Germany has much more of. And that’s Germany alone, not even the whole EU. In the absence of competing evidence I’m very comfortable assuming that Germany would do much better than Ukraine if attacked.
How many troops does Germany have vs Ukraine?
63 thousand, because Germany doesn’t face serious threats to its territory that’d require a bigger force. It’d increase if that was necessary (which would be obvious from a mile away). The money necessary to pay and supply more troops would be much better spent helping Ukraine in any case.
In your two above posts you seemed to suggest that Germany could already take on Russia without any troop increase…
Apparently you now seem to at least agree that it should move along with the threat. Which is great, because that’s what they’re doing. But also goes against the message from these protestors
Those numbers need to be put into relation. GDP, per capita or such.
Not really, because my point is that Germany (and comparable European states more generally) can already fight Russia or at worst build a military that can fight against Russia if necessary. Military power doesn’t work on a per capita basis.
We do not have enough natural resources, especially oil, to keep the mechanized equipment rolling. The Russians are capable of disrupting logistics and damaging production sites. Furthermore, the German mindset, post WWII, is pacifistic and one can thank the Allies for creating it. They wanted to surpress our so-called Prussian military pride.
What I can tell you is that Russia’s best chance would still be to face a country one by one.
Even if you don’t care or underestimate the capacity of them to wage war, being ready is your best deterrent.
No, that’s the third or so best deterrent. The best deterrent is to back Ukraine to the hilt so Russia doesn’t get ideas ever again.
what do you mean?
Their life, stability, future prospects, are all based on the assumptions their government is capable to provide them, and a state’s stability is at its very core in its ability to provide security internally but also externally.
What gives a country it’s authority is it’s military.
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A new law introducing voluntary military service came into force in January
If they don’t have compulsory service, and voluntary service is new this year, how have they had any military at all?
No one likes conscription, but when Russia starts invading, are you going to just let the country go undefended? If you wait to sign up until the missiles start flying, it’s too late.
They are actively recruiting 18 year olds, who then can throw the recruiting letter away.
You could do voluntary serve this entire time.before that it was conscription
even 10 years ago I’d side with students as there was no imminent danger to necessitate military service. Today, however, is a different story: russia is unpredictable and war in Ukraine can spill over into the rest of Europe (just watch russian TV with calls to reduce Berlin to ashes, etc.). China is flexing it’s muscle and US on on the colony snatching spree itself. At this point Sovereignty lasts as long as you have sufficient armed forces to back it up.
If they don’t have compulsory service, and voluntary service is new this year, how have they had any military at all?
It’s certainly a weird wording. Maybe German terminology and doesn’t translate well?
From reading the article and the linked article from there it seems like the idea is to get a conscription program in place but the first conscripts will be those who willingly joined. Then with the program in place they can move to “real” conscription. Maybe?
That’s dumb but not unexpected. This cool “their” war evaporates first time you experience war as a victim (in most people at least) and it becomes your war as well.
You can ran of course, but for how long considering it’s going to be ww3 one way or another.
Hey man I think your toast is burning
Wut
The person is more than likely Ukrainian using English as a second or third language. They are expressing the concern that the longer you abandon them to fight alone; the more likely you are to find yourself in the conflict. It’s understandable why kids don’t want to be conscripted when there’s a war raging 800 miles away??
Please go see your doctor. This kind of speech could be a sign of stroke.
You guys really gotta learn to read. I’m not gonna defend that sentence structure…. But he said all these foreign wars can become less than foreign rather quickly. He then said there’s no escaping them as they are all leading to WW3. I am 90% sure this person is not using English as their first language. But it was still comprehendible. Maybe try before you jump on the poor guy.
Naiive, misguided youngsters…?
Forced conscription isn’t the best way to fill the ranks and fight a war. But ironically this mandatory service actually lowers the odds of people being forcefully conscripted during an actual crisis.
Military service incentivizes people to join the military afterwards. Having a large swat of the populace receive basic military training, also helps fill the ranks faster and better in the outbreak of a war.
Both of which are the whole point imo. Those extra recruits are something Germany could really, really use badly and without a ready military there can’t be any convincing deterrence.
