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CDRMITTENS@sh.itjust.works to NonCredibleDefense@sh.itjust.worksEnglish · 2 years ago

most super-based non-credible air-to-air combat of all time

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CDRMITTENS@sh.itjust.works to NonCredibleDefense@sh.itjust.worksEnglish · 2 years ago
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  • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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    Shooting at a fighter aircraft while in a parachute seems like a very bad idea to me, you’re in trouble if the pilot shoots back.

    • Nommer@sh.itjust.works
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      Odds are if a fighter is close enough for a pistol then the fighters were committing war crimes by shooting parachuting aviators. The Japanese were known for shooting down parachutes.

      • Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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        It wasn’t a war crime back then, of course.

        • vlad@lemmy.sdf.org
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          What I’ve learned about “war crimes” is that it doesn’t matter what you do as long as you don’t lose. And if you win you get to punish the loser for their war crimes and pretend like you didn’t commit any.

          • manapropos@lemmy.basedcount.com
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            Japan lost and they still deny the horrible, Holocaust-tier atrocities they committed during WW2

            • vlad@lemmy.sdf.org
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              They didn’t lose hard enough

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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                IDK, they unconditionally surrendered. That pretty much never happens.

                • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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                  And yet we didn’t execute any of the people responsible.

          • EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world
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            “History get written by the victors”

            • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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              A statement routinely banned in serious historical communities because of the mountains of evidence against it

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      It was the guy in the parachute who was shooting back. The Japanese were known for shooting down ejected pilots.

    • ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world
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      Iirc he shot at the Japanese pilot because he was shooting pilots who had already bailed which is an unwritten rule of fighter combat.

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      They’re moving pretty quickly relative to you. By the time they realize you’ve shot at them, they’ll be hundreds of meters away. If they then decide to turn around (since they have to be facing you to shoot you) and come for another run at you…honestly they were probably going to do it anyway.

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    • Bonehead@kbin.social
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      For ever crazy stunt pulled off in one of those games, even crazier shit has happened in real life. Humans under extreme stress in life threatening situations tend to get really creative.

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        So you’re saying someone has jumped out of a moving f16 and shot down another f16 with an rpg and then landed back into their f16 and flew off? Nice

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          I saw this a few times in Nam

        • 𝙣𝙪𝙠𝙚@yah.lol
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          Skill issue

        • MucherBucher@feddit.de
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          Yeah I did it the other day on my lunch break.

          Well, the F16 is called Prius and shooting down the F16 with an RPG is called grabbing McD from the drive through window. But you know, I was really far from the window and had to open the door to step out with one foot.

      • Herbal Gamer@sh.itjust.works
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        Rocketjump, really?

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    How did they confirm this? (I don’t doubt it but still)

    • 𝙣𝙪𝙠𝙚@yah.lol
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      Supposedly, the plane was later found after crashing, the pilot with a bullet wound in his head

      https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/the-japanese-fighter-plane-shot.html

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        Ah, plausible explanation for a crashed pilot that needs to be dead, I see.

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    During WW2, the Japanese were shooting airmen who have ejected. This was a MAJOR no no in wartime. So the only reason a Japanese plane would have been in striking distance from an ejected airman, would be because the Japanese airman was trying to kill him.

    Another fun fact. During war, snipers don’t ever shoot a person who is taking a shit.

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      I am going to need a source for your fun fact. That sounds like shit.

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        Here is the source for the parachutes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists

        For the pooping in thing, after doing a bunch of research, the “rule” was mostly memoirs and interviews about what the West did. This could be an attempt to rewrite history to make the West look better. But here are a couple of sources I found.

        During the civil war: https://dailycaller.com/2017/01/10/civil-war-rule-of-engagement-protected-urinating-with-pants-down-dont-shoot-principle/

        Short video about it: https://youtube.com/shorts/PhWraPN46jc?si=OYHA-bM0OE27Zr_f

  • corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works
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    as in he threw it?

    • 𝙣𝙪𝙠𝙚@yah.lol
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      Who throws a pistol? Honestly!

      • corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works
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        i mean how else hed do anything useful with 1911

        • 𝙣𝙪𝙠𝙚@yah.lol
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          • corrupts_absolutely@sh.itjust.works
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            youd wish i liked mk18! because i like ac556!

          • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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            I’m not sure if that is pro or anti 1911.

        • shalafi@lemmy.world
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          Fight me.

          Seriously though, it’s my favorite not just because it’s classic, it’s the handgun I’m best at. By a long shot.

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    Maybe he had some extensions to his 1911 like Nordberg

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSG_23DTvKs

    https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/The_Naked_Gun_2_1/2:_The_Smell_of_Fear#Nordberg.27s_Gun

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    “ON CRIP, ON GOD, HE DID THAT SHIT”

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    • Madison420@lemmy.world
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      That’s not what happened.

      Dude was parachuting and shot a pilot too close to him because the Japanese pilot shot down his bomber and attempted the war crime of attacking a pilot under chute.

      https://www.thearmorylife.com/when-a-1911-shot-down-a-japanese-zero/

      The Japanese Zero that hit Baggett circled back around for a closer look, intent on finishing him off if he wasn’t already dead. Thinking quickly, Baggett pulled his pistol from its holster, played dead, and hung limp in his parachute harness as the plane came toward him.

      As the Zero pilot neared Owen’s body, he opened the canopy over the cockpit to get a close look. At that moment, Baggett came to life, raised his 1911 semi-automatic pistol, and fired four rounds into the cockpit. One or more of Owen’s rounds hit home, as the Zero spun out and ended its assault against him.

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        • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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          Man if you think that’s the most unbelievable thing a Japanese soldier did between 1937 to 1945 you’re really not going to like hearing about Nanking and Unit 731.

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            • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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              It wasn’t uncommon to open your canopy to get a better view, I don’t know what to tell you besides watch some old dogfight interviews.

              The Soviets were practically infamous for always flying with them open. Not unreasonable to think a pilot that considered combat over might open his canopy.

              And, also, sucks to suck. War crime protections are agreements between nations on standards of behavior, and Imperial Japan violated them all, so even if it was:

              Good, fuck that fash.

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          You know most deaths in WW1 of pilots were literally small arms, it’s not at all outlandish.

          You’re being obtuse.

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            • Madison420@lemmy.world
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              Or it happened and you’re just kind of an ass lol.

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      Japanese pilots were well known for shooting down parachutes.

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      A parachuting pilot is protected under the geneva convention.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_parachutists

      Such parachutists are considered hors de combat and it is made a war crime to attack them in an interstate armed conflict under Additional Protocol I to the 1949 Geneva Conventions.

      • Protocol I was added in 1977. World War II ended in 1945.

      • While some of the Geneva Conventions – not the relevant ones – predated World War II, Japan was not a party to even those until after World War II.

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      War crime with style

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