Are you ok with the future that your kids will live in if nothing changes? Or do you believe that someone else will come and save you? Genuinely asking
Look, man, I get it, I really do, but I don’t think you quite grasp the responsibilities some other people have. Maybe, just maybe, if we could actually coordinate something big enough to have an impact, but there’s nothing like that to join. We had some of the biggest protests in national history multiple times, and nothing really happened. When we lay it all down and sacrifice everything not only for ourselves but on behalf of our whole families, under the current circumstances, what exactly do you expect to happen? A handful of us try a general strike, get fired, and immediately get replaced because the job market is absolute trash? Because that’s what’s going to happen if we just act on our own.
You want people to do something, and that’s really understandable, but you’re ultimately asking people to give a lot when the current circumstances mean we’re unlikely to get much in return. If you want people to act, we need to figure out how to change circumstances or at least reframe things so people can see the value in their own personal sacrifice.
The only way you’ll change circumstances is if everything is shut down long enough for your Congress to act.
Yeah sure, vote in these midterms, hopefully they’re good
This position however that we don’t understand or don’t know…yeah it’s a cop out. One that’s not offered to others.
Yeah, it’ll take some hardship, cost some jobs, some people will go hungry for a while. We know and yes it’s easy for us to say…doesn’t change anything though. That’s the importance of taking the collective responsibility seriously.
If you want people to act, focus on giving them a way to act that feels meaningful and worth the sacrifice. There’s not much for safety nets in the US, so if people are going to risk hunger and homelessness, they need to feel like they have a meaningful choice, one where their sacrifice makes an appreciable difference.
What option do they really have as individuals? You can say general strike as a concept, but people need concrete plans, and they need to be widely known so people can act in unison. Just telling people to get off their ass and act is trying to set people in motion without any idea how to keep all the headless chickens moving in the same direction. If there’s not a fully coordinated attempt at massive unity, there’s just no way it accomplishes something. People will act here and there, they’ll get fired, they’ll get replaced because tons of people need work, and the mess will continue. It must happen coherently, or it’s just a bunch of martyring. We need to figure out how to coordinate on a large enough scale when so many people are so heavily reliant on corporate media and social media, who will most certainly be weaponized against any such movement.
That’s not my job. I’m not American and I didn’t get agency in the decision. However, their policies and governance affects all of us, sometimes without our consent, so we have a right to be concerned.
Preservation of life and liberty is worth the sacrifice. As for the rest, that takes hard, collective work, which means working together responsibly to achieve that and if they can’t, that’s on them. That’s not something a foreigner can build or show a rally point around.
Excuses for everything ay? Sorry, reasons.
I’ve seen US people in here discuss this and give instructions on how to join in so they’re around. Wrote to any influential and friendly politicians and people on it.
But it’s not mine or ours outside to fix. We or I shouldn’t be having to tell you how. This is what we’d do if it was us.
Frankly, I doubt it. Half the world seems to be sliding towards authoritarianism with the other half already there. America is leading the charge, sure, but nobody else seems eager to dive on their own grenade to fix it, either.
Are you ok with the future that your kids will live in if nothing changes? Or do you believe that someone else will come and save you? Genuinely asking
Look, man, I get it, I really do, but I don’t think you quite grasp the responsibilities some other people have. Maybe, just maybe, if we could actually coordinate something big enough to have an impact, but there’s nothing like that to join. We had some of the biggest protests in national history multiple times, and nothing really happened. When we lay it all down and sacrifice everything not only for ourselves but on behalf of our whole families, under the current circumstances, what exactly do you expect to happen? A handful of us try a general strike, get fired, and immediately get replaced because the job market is absolute trash? Because that’s what’s going to happen if we just act on our own.
You want people to do something, and that’s really understandable, but you’re ultimately asking people to give a lot when the current circumstances mean we’re unlikely to get much in return. If you want people to act, we need to figure out how to change circumstances or at least reframe things so people can see the value in their own personal sacrifice.
The only way you’ll change circumstances is if everything is shut down long enough for your Congress to act.
Yeah sure, vote in these midterms, hopefully they’re good
This position however that we don’t understand or don’t know…yeah it’s a cop out. One that’s not offered to others.
Yeah, it’ll take some hardship, cost some jobs, some people will go hungry for a while. We know and yes it’s easy for us to say…doesn’t change anything though. That’s the importance of taking the collective responsibility seriously.
If you want people to act, focus on giving them a way to act that feels meaningful and worth the sacrifice. There’s not much for safety nets in the US, so if people are going to risk hunger and homelessness, they need to feel like they have a meaningful choice, one where their sacrifice makes an appreciable difference.
What option do they really have as individuals? You can say general strike as a concept, but people need concrete plans, and they need to be widely known so people can act in unison. Just telling people to get off their ass and act is trying to set people in motion without any idea how to keep all the headless chickens moving in the same direction. If there’s not a fully coordinated attempt at massive unity, there’s just no way it accomplishes something. People will act here and there, they’ll get fired, they’ll get replaced because tons of people need work, and the mess will continue. It must happen coherently, or it’s just a bunch of martyring. We need to figure out how to coordinate on a large enough scale when so many people are so heavily reliant on corporate media and social media, who will most certainly be weaponized against any such movement.
That’s not my job. I’m not American and I didn’t get agency in the decision. However, their policies and governance affects all of us, sometimes without our consent, so we have a right to be concerned.
Preservation of life and liberty is worth the sacrifice. As for the rest, that takes hard, collective work, which means working together responsibly to achieve that and if they can’t, that’s on them. That’s not something a foreigner can build or show a rally point around.
Excuses for everything ay? Sorry, reasons.
I’ve seen US people in here discuss this and give instructions on how to join in so they’re around. Wrote to any influential and friendly politicians and people on it.
But it’s not mine or ours outside to fix. We or I shouldn’t be having to tell you how. This is what we’d do if it was us.
Frankly, I doubt it. Half the world seems to be sliding towards authoritarianism with the other half already there. America is leading the charge, sure, but nobody else seems eager to dive on their own grenade to fix it, either.