Different doesn’t mean Biden was good, just that he was so much better than the alternative.
“so much better” is where we disagree. The dude was a monster.
Did his administration blow up ships in international waters with no approval?
Not that I know of. But he sure did that to innocent people on land.
Deport citizens arrested by ICE to third-world countries with no trial and refuse to bring them back?
Yes
Dismantle USAID, killing multiple thousands of people?
Nope, but he forced people back to dangerous offices, killing thousands. He backed a genocide, killing multiple thousands. Bombed the hell out of who-knows-how many people. I don’t really care what tool someone used to kill others, I care that they killed others.
Remove protections from federal land and allow nature to be destroyed? Arrest citizens for using privacy features on their phones? Violate the first-amendment rights of national television broadcasters?
Yes
Let goons run around with full illegal access to every government database?
Yes
Deny healthcare to women based on their marital status?
No, but he sat back and did nothing when that happened, and had the full power to help them.
Beat and jail people protesting ICE raids?
Yes
Lie, cheat, scam, rape, steal, corrupt, and otherwise destroy anything they get their hands on?
Yes
I could go on, but it’s clear that you are ignoring my point: We were talking about “meaningfully different results”. Just because Biden didn’t do the exact same things as Trump doens’t mean that Biden gave us “meaningfully different results”.
I just don’t understand how you can be informed about politics and not understand the enormous gulf between the two primary options. Even for the examples I gave where you can say yes, technically the Biden admin did this too, the difference in scale is staggering.
DOGE had complete unsupervised access to every government agency without proper security clearance or logging, for example. Trump was literally found in a court of law to have raped someone. Several people who had participated in an ICE protest but left before it became violent were sentenced to 30 to 70 years in prison.
I just don’t understand how you can be informed about politics and not understand the enormous gulf between the two primary options.
Being informed about politics leads one to understand that there is no such gulf.
Like, you literally thought that ICE appeared less than two years ago, that Biden didn’t take part in any invasions, that Biden didn’t openly abuse power to shield his family from the laws he himself pushed through decades ago, and so on.
the difference in scale is staggering.
It’s not. The difference is just decorum and lack thereof.
Like, you literally thought that ICE appeared less than two years ago, that Biden didn’t take part in any invasions, that Biden didn’t openly abuse power to shield his family from the laws he himself pushed through decades ago, and so on.
Sorry, I’m not interested in conversing with someone who can’t read what I’ve already said.
It’s not. The difference is just decorum and lack thereof.
…or someone who doesn’t have any idea what’s happening outside.
Sorry, I’m not interested in conversing with someone who can’t read what I’ve already said.
What you said was that ICE wasn’t a thing under Biden and Obama.
…or someone who doesn’t have any idea what’s happening outside.
When you were listing differences between Trump and the preceeding blue fascists, the things that you listed were also features under said blue administrations.
The fact is that the only thing that is significantly different in this case is decorum, the lack of which you abhor more than literal genocides.
LITERALLY no on all three counts. I pointed to specific instances of their policy differences and did not make any of the statements you just claimed I did. You are sitting in the cave arguing against shadows on the wall.
Again, there is no point conversing if you are not capable of responding to reality.
Different doesn’t mean Biden was good, just that he was so much better than the alternative. … Deport citizens arrested by ICE to third-world countries with no trial and refuse to bring them back?
Even for the examples I gave where you can say yes, technically the Biden admin did this too
Again, if your prior list, where you say that Buden (and Obama) didn’t use ICE and didn’t bomb other countries (technically, you were only concerned with ships for some reason) and the like, was not what you meant, you are free to actually mention things that you think are substantial differences between Trump and the preceding genocidaires in chief.
I don’t think deporting citizens like that is one of the things you can truthfully say the Biden admin did. I mean, the poster said Biden did it too, but they provided no proof and neither did you. Meanwhile the Trump admin was ordered multiple times to prevent the deportation of citizens earlier this year. That’s why I included it in my list; it’s an example of a specific thing that the Trump admin has done worse.
(Proof of the Trump admin doing this: The deportation of Rasha Alawieh, despite a valid visa and court orders denying the legality of the deportation. If the Biden admin did anything similar to this this, feel free to mention an example.)
My note about things the Biden admin did too was to cover list items like “corruption” where there is a difference in scale but not in whether it happened at all. For the record, I don’t think any of the concrete policy things in my list that the poster said Biden did are actually true, I just didn’t feel like arguing against someone delusional. Feel free to provide proof if that’s not accurate.
Again, if your prior list, where you say that Buden (and Obama) didn’t use ICE and didn’t bomb other countries (technically, you were only concerned with ships for some reason) and the like, was not what you meant, you are free to actually mention things that you think are substantial differences between Trump and the preceding genocidaires in chief.
It is what I meant, it is a list of concrete differences between the Trump and Biden admins (ask me for a source on any one of those items, I have them!), and me refusing to respond to some dumbass going “nuh uh!!” doesn’t mean I suddenly don’t believe the things I said and 100% agree with said dumbass.
Also, specifically:
you say that Buden (and Obama) didn’t use ICE and didn’t bomb other countries (technically, you were only concerned with ships for some reason)
In the list I wrote which you LITERALLY WERE QUOTING AND COULD SEE SAID QUOTE FROM WHILE WRITING THIS INCORRECT STATEMENT, I specifically didn’t mention things like “used ICE” or “arrested people protesting ice” because both admins did it. I mentioned specifically the things which the Trump admin has done above and beyond the horrible things both parties usually do. Same goes for the ships, the US is always bombing other countries, we aren’t usually blowing up random ships and threatening to take over Greenland.
And I don’t understand how you can see them do the above listed things, and claim that there is an “enormous gulf between the two primary options”. Yes, there are minor differences, but to say there is an “enormous gulf”, serously downplays how evil and monsterous Biden was.
Well, if you ignore the bad things that someone does, then I can see how this can be confusing. I participate in US news discussions all the time, that’s how I know that Biden is a terrible person, who did terrible things.
If you want to be less confused, I’d recommend that you do the same.
Clearly they do more than you do, given they’re were aware of Biden’s crimes that you weren’t. Also, you can’t understand how people believe that because you can’t imagine thinking of Palestinians as human
“so much better” is where we disagree. The dude was a monster.
Not that I know of. But he sure did that to innocent people on land.
Yes
Nope, but he forced people back to dangerous offices, killing thousands. He backed a genocide, killing multiple thousands. Bombed the hell out of who-knows-how many people. I don’t really care what tool someone used to kill others, I care that they killed others.
Yes
Yes
No, but he sat back and did nothing when that happened, and had the full power to help them.
Yes
Yes
I could go on, but it’s clear that you are ignoring my point: We were talking about “meaningfully different results”. Just because Biden didn’t do the exact same things as Trump doens’t mean that Biden gave us “meaningfully different results”.
I just don’t understand how you can be informed about politics and not understand the enormous gulf between the two primary options. Even for the examples I gave where you can say yes, technically the Biden admin did this too, the difference in scale is staggering.
DOGE had complete unsupervised access to every government agency without proper security clearance or logging, for example. Trump was literally found in a court of law to have raped someone. Several people who had participated in an ICE protest but left before it became violent were sentenced to 30 to 70 years in prison.
Being informed about politics leads one to understand that there is no such gulf.
Like, you literally thought that ICE appeared less than two years ago, that Biden didn’t take part in any invasions, that Biden didn’t openly abuse power to shield his family from the laws he himself pushed through decades ago, and so on.
It’s not. The difference is just decorum and lack thereof.
Sorry, I’m not interested in conversing with someone who can’t read what I’ve already said.
…or someone who doesn’t have any idea what’s happening outside.
What you said was that ICE wasn’t a thing under Biden and Obama.
When you were listing differences between Trump and the preceeding blue fascists, the things that you listed were also features under said blue administrations.
The fact is that the only thing that is significantly different in this case is decorum, the lack of which you abhor more than literal genocides.
LITERALLY no on all three counts. I pointed to specific instances of their policy differences and did not make any of the statements you just claimed I did. You are sitting in the cave arguing against shadows on the wall.
Again, there is no point conversing if you are not capable of responding to reality.
So, you weren’t the one who said this?
Again, if your prior list, where you say that Buden (and Obama) didn’t use ICE and didn’t bomb other countries (technically, you were only concerned with ships for some reason) and the like, was not what you meant, you are free to actually mention things that you think are substantial differences between Trump and the preceding genocidaires in chief.
I don’t think deporting citizens like that is one of the things you can truthfully say the Biden admin did. I mean, the poster said Biden did it too, but they provided no proof and neither did you. Meanwhile the Trump admin was ordered multiple times to prevent the deportation of citizens earlier this year. That’s why I included it in my list; it’s an example of a specific thing that the Trump admin has done worse.
(Proof of the Trump admin doing this: The deportation of Rasha Alawieh, despite a valid visa and court orders denying the legality of the deportation. If the Biden admin did anything similar to this this, feel free to mention an example.)
My note about things the Biden admin did too was to cover list items like “corruption” where there is a difference in scale but not in whether it happened at all. For the record, I don’t think any of the concrete policy things in my list that the poster said Biden did are actually true, I just didn’t feel like arguing against someone delusional. Feel free to provide proof if that’s not accurate.
It is what I meant, it is a list of concrete differences between the Trump and Biden admins (ask me for a source on any one of those items, I have them!), and me refusing to respond to some dumbass going “nuh uh!!” doesn’t mean I suddenly don’t believe the things I said and 100% agree with said dumbass.
Also, specifically:
In the list I wrote which you LITERALLY WERE QUOTING AND COULD SEE SAID QUOTE FROM WHILE WRITING THIS INCORRECT STATEMENT, I specifically didn’t mention things like “used ICE” or “arrested people protesting ice” because both admins did it. I mentioned specifically the things which the Trump admin has done above and beyond the horrible things both parties usually do. Same goes for the ships, the US is always bombing other countries, we aren’t usually blowing up random ships and threatening to take over Greenland.
Currently don’t have time to address the entire reply (will do that later), but I do want to address one claim that you made:
Biden’s term, and each of Obama’s terms saw greater numbers of deportations that Trump’s first term.
At the very least, articles like these that provide such statistics are easily searchable:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/us/trump-biden-immigrants-deportations.html
So, it is rather silly that you keep insisting that Trump is somehow different/worse in this regard.
This is such a wild thing to say immediately after demonstrating that you were completely uninformed about Biden’s crimes
And I don’t understand how you can see them do the above listed things, and claim that there is an “enormous gulf between the two primary options”. Yes, there are minor differences, but to say there is an “enormous gulf”, serously downplays how evil and monsterous Biden was.
I mean, is there anything he did significantly worse than the Trump admin you would like to share with me?
Not really, no. Like I said, they were very similar.
I seriously cannot understand how people believe this. Do you participate in US news discussion?
Well, if you ignore the bad things that someone does, then I can see how this can be confusing. I participate in US news discussions all the time, that’s how I know that Biden is a terrible person, who did terrible things.
If you want to be less confused, I’d recommend that you do the same.
I do
I’m not sure you do. You just referenced a document where you didn’t know half of what was going on under Biden.
Clearly they do more than you do, given they’re were aware of Biden’s crimes that you weren’t. Also, you can’t understand how people believe that because you can’t imagine thinking of Palestinians as human