• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
    9·
    24 天前

    China is just bribing people to continue living by providing material improvements to their quality of life. That’s cheating 😤

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
        6·
        23 天前

        I’m afraid my brain is just too wrinkly to allow facts and evidence to just slide off it and just imagine that reality is whatever I feel like based on absolutely nothing, like you can.

  • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
    7·
    24 天前

    You dummy, the reason people don’t commit suicide in aUThOriTAiaN StAtEs is because the government would murder them for it.

  • ZeroHora@lemmy.mlEnglish
    4·
    24 天前

    One of those posts where people who know nothing but have opinions they must speak come together to enlighten the poor tankies. Can we at least drop the white saviour mentality this time guys?

  • sqeezy@lemmy.ml
    3·
    24 天前

    It would be great to have the complete unit of measure displayed here. It’s suicides per 100k capita. Does not change the relative proportions, but is needed for the full picture.

  • pleiades@lemmy.ml
    1·
    24 天前

    Genuine question, is North Korea considered a monarchy (or monarcho-socialist), considering the Kim family has ruled it uncontested for generations? I know that a lot of stuff you read about North Korea in mainstream news is misinformation/propaganda so I’m curious

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          1·
          23 天前

          Neither source seems to point towards fudged numbers, more towards an increase in suicides as a societal issue to be tackled. Nobody said there’s no suicide in China.

          • deft@lemmy.wtf
            01·
            23 天前

            They do. The important part of both is they mention there is no real list or hub or information to draw this from. Any other country that tracks suicide rates fits into roughly an even distribution alongside other factors like population density and food scarcity. China looks different because their data is completely wrong and disingenuous.

            China does not track this information for that specific purpose. You cannot get health information from China. They have done this with AIDS and COVID. Instead of facing an issue, they fudge the numbers.

            China is not an outlier, it is simply a liar

              • deft@lemmy.wtf
                11·
                23 天前

                Well it isn’t my job to teach you history. China has a full history of information control especially around healthcare. A culture around denying suicide and a political interest in showing themselves to be better than they actually are.

                If you choose to embrace a lack of information as truth, that is you.

                • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  23 天前

                  All countries have a political interest in showing themselves as better, though. I’m aware enough of China’s history to know that your allegations are just that, allegations.

  • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
    02·
    22 天前

    Whenever I see one of these threads, I go inside. “Removed by Mod”. 90% of the time, based on the replies and comments around it, it looks like the removed comment just said some dumb shit or was heavily disagreed with.

    Why are we removing people we disagree with from the discussion? There are like eight people were had all their comments stripped from this thread. WTF is going on?

    • EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
      2·
      22 天前

      Removing racism and chauvinistic shit is a good thing. This isn’t a debate class.

    • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml
      2·
      22 天前

      Depends on which instance is doing the removing but around here it’s usually just racism and orientalism getting removed on this kind of post.

      • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
        1·
        22 天前

        You know what, that’s fair. Its just so often! I sometimes forget that Lemmy is fringe and attracts all kinds of people, and not all of them are polite.

    • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
      1·
      22 天前

      After a while you get tired of reading “Chinese bot, Russian orc, wumao CCP shill, everyone is North Korea is dead, communists killed everyone on earth, Hamas is terrorists, Iran killed eighty trillion people in 3 days, you are a communist because you are mentally defective, vote blue no matter who.”

    • AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.mlEnglish
      11·
      22 天前

      You have been indoctrinated with the attitude that everyone’s opinion is equal and fools must be suffered. This is a community, not a street corner.

      • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
        0·
        22 天前

        Well yes, that is how a democracy works. If someone says something stupid, publicly, they get it kicked right back up their ass. I’d rather participate in kicking the stupid back up a person’s ass than wade through pages of a one-way conversation. Maybe that’s just me.

          • Omnipitaph@reddthat.com
            01·
            20 天前

            Who are common people of the [email protected] state? Everyone here who is engaging in the community, and that is how public online forums work. “A community” is a broad categorization and does not have a standard structure of organization or common practices. “Public Online Forum” does in fact have a standard set of practices and organization, with precedent set since the 90s. That precedent is that moderators and admins get to choose who gets to participate, thus my original comment.

            Any other weirdo accusations or loaded questions you’d like to spitball?

  • wakko@lemmy.world
    04·
    24 天前

    Imagine being so naive that you believe the propaganda coming out of countries known for their well-documented disinformation policies.

    • Tyra@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4·
      24 天前

      Yes, it‘s truly insane that people trust the West so blindly, even though it’s well documented how the CIA and the West in general used misinformation and propaganda to destabilize communities and whole countries. Why should anyone think they ever stopped doing that? And what is it with their billionaire‘s owned “free press”? Who would trust that?

    • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
      4·
      24 天前

      Definitely, people in western countries rarely leave their bubble of the 5 or so anti-communist media companies that control everything they see.

      • TheFogan@programming.devEnglish
        21·
        24 天前

        I think that’s kind of the problem in general, the real issue is, the firewalls and controls. It’s not about believing the western propoganda, but simply the lack of non-propoganda sources. IE how can you find out if finland’s policies are better than america’s.

        Hop into a public chat room, chat with someone from finland, or book a vacation to Finland or maybe find someone from Finland who’s visiting or moved to the united states.

        Not something you can really do with North Korea.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          4·
          24 天前

          You can still talk to exchange students who attend Kim Il Sung university and other visitors to the DPRK. There are also those from the DPRK who work abroad, such as those in China, as well as those who live in New York for UN purposes.

    • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
      1·
      24 天前

      That’s exactly why I don’t put stock in the insane mythologies put forward by capitalist oligarchies about their enemies.

      Well-documented

      Can I see some of this documentation?

      • wakko@lemmy.world
        01·
        24 天前

        Can I see some of this documentation?

        Sure. Go look it up for yourself. It isn’t hard to find. You don’t need my consent or permission to do your own homework. Nobody’s going to do it for you.

        • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
          4·
          24 天前

          This is just the antivax “do your own reseaech” but for the geopolitical opinions given to you by Epsteinland🇺🇲🇮🇱

          You made a claim, you back it up. Show me something.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
        2·
        24 天前

        To be fair, that’s something a person who realizes that the western system is a failure, but still uncritically guzzles propaganda about western adversaries would believe.

        • daggermoon@piefed.worldEnglish
          0·
          24 天前

          On the contrary, I distrust state media both from the US and South Korea. I’m also willing to admit that a lot of the DPRK’s problems are due to the harsh sanctions both social and economic against the country. My main gripe with the DPRK is Kim Jong Un. Do you believe him to be a fair and just leader who isn’t corrupt? Also, no one is immune to propaganda. I’ve worked hard unlearning what I’ve learned and that’s always going to be a process. Are you immune to propaganda?

          Edit: And no Trump is not a fair and just leader. I’d say he’s comparable to Kim Jong Un. It does not invalidate my argument and I don’t get to choose where I live.

          • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
            4·
            23 天前

            What specific actions by Kim Jong Un equate him to Trump? The reason I ask is because, through cultural hegemony, we are trained in an almost Pavlovian way to immediately associate anything related to the DPRK as bad. We are not “free thinkers,” the way we think is shaped by the ruling class in society. We have to be cognizant of this and constantly question whether we believe what we do based on facts, or “common sense,” which is in reality ruling class ideology.

            Being able to name specific, concrete policies by Kim Jong Un you believe to be bad would help make this a more objective judgement. For example, how do you feel about the 20x10 policy? Is it harmful, beneficial, too ambitious, not ambitious enough? For Trump, it’s very easy to point to the war on Iran, embargo on Cuba, expansion of ICE, etc. as actual problems, but when we think of Kim Jong Un, what policies actually come to mind as negative?