The current freak-out by Donald Trump, J. D. Vance, Marco Rubio, Stephen Miller, and other right-wingers about democratic socialism is quite rational. In socialism, they see a formidable foe.
The current freak-out by Donald Trump, J. D. Vance, Marco Rubio, Stephen Miller, and other right-wingers about democratic socialism is quite rational. In socialism, they see a formidable foe.
Nope dude you’re wrong. I’m saying humans are simple in one way and that’s if they feel close to a problem they care more about it. You seem to be saying it’s a grand conspiracy we’re all complicit in. I have no interest in arguing with you, I just wanted to push back a bit with my perspective. It makes perfect sense to me. And if you think saying it’s human nature means I’m saying it’s not problematic, you’d be wrong. It is problematic. I truly wish online conversations weren’t loaded with subtext that isn’t even necessarily there. You’re saying shit I didn’t remotely say. Two things can be true, I’m simply disputing two of your specific points: 1) that rich people don’t care who is distracted from what and 2) that if anyone cares less about Gazans than their own country’s citizens then clearly they’re racist. This is just going out of your way to find evil intentions. The end result of that indifference indeed is a horribly unjust world, but it’s really not solving anything to say that unjust world comes from the malice of the (nearly) powerless.
Im sorry if I infered things from what you said. But, I am frustrated with the hoops people jump through to avoid discussing class conflict. You haven’t once responded to the points I’ve made about class conflict and class consciousness. You just said “I’m overcomplicating it” rather than attempt to understand what was being said.
I’m not sure if you’re purposely avoiding it. Or, more likely, you’re just not understanding what is being said and you’re filling it in with your own misunderstanding. But I’m not talking about “the rich” like they need to just pay more taxes and shits good. I’m talking about class not wealth. And more importantly, how that class structure gives only one class access to influence government (power).
I agree, online conversations like this are frustrating. But, you have now multiple times ignored my discussion of class and replaced it with things I didn’t say. Instead you appealed to tribalism, calling people racist, or acting like I’m discussing a conspiracy. Nothing of which I’ve said.
If you want to push back on a perspective someone has, you should probably understand that perspective first. Because it’s entirely based on class conflict. Something you’ve refused to respond to. I would have thought that was obvious from “capitalist Epstein class” that I mentioned in my literal first comment.
I appreciate that you’re trying to reign the tone back in but I’m just not sure how we even got here. The original article is about trump railing against socialism and someone said it’s a distraction, now we’re talking about the Nazis being Nazis in a specific, but in my mind, different way…? It’s not that I’ve totally misunderstood the points you’re making, I just don’t necessarily get how you’re connecting it all together. In any case I don’t always feel like I have the time to get bogged down in a conversation I wasn’t trying to have and I’m sorry if that feels dismissive. I just had specific things I was addressing. Turns out my day has not had much going on so here we are and I’m responding several times, which I didn’t anticipate. If you want to explain the connections you’re making again, I’m listening.
Fair enough. My comment was about people constantly calling everything “a distraction” from one specific crime. The article isn’t really meaningful to the comment I made. So not really a part of any of the discussion.
I would say you don’t understand what point I’m making because you are the very type of person lacking class consciousness that my initial comment was frustrated about.
I’m wasn’t really trying to educate anyone with it. It was more venting a frustration.
I’m sorry if I was defensive in my responses. Its usually right wing reactionaries trying to point away from class conflict to something else. It would be better if you have a specific question about what I said. Rather than me trying to “explain connections”. That’s too vague to really answer.
Seems like a rude characterization. To put it bluntly you were rambling and it felt pretty disjointed. And instead of understanding that you’ve blamed me for not getting it. I have awareness of the horrible power structure we live in. But you are the one who knows what you’re trying to say, I’m not really gonna comb back through all those paragraphs and then write 3-5 questions up. Is that what you expect? If I were you and had a cohesive point I could probably sum it up in 5 sentences max. Rather than expect another person who I’ve confused to coax the point out of me. We probably agree on a lot in reality but I’m getting a pretty strong vibe of “I read marx, you clearly didn’t and are therefore uneducated”. So I’ll take this as a lesson learned, I hope.
Man, that’s a lot of words to say “I don’t actually want to learn what you’re talking about”.
It’s not rude to point out what another person may not understand. That’s not stupidity. That’s lacking knowledge.
Stupidity is when someone is addressed with something they do not understand, take it as a personal attack, and then decide they would rather not waste their time to ask a single question.
You wouldn’t look stupid if you asked me something simple like “what do you mean by class?” I’d be very happy to clarify my definition of the word and move forward from there.
But it seems you are too stubborn to do anything simple like that. You’d rather be upset by a condescending tone that I can’t help but let out. If there is something I’m guilty of its definitely that.
Edit: Damn, when they delete all their comments.
Huh, funny. You blamed me for the interaction again. Yeah you’re definitely right about being condescending though.
If there’s anything of value to be learned here I certainly missed it. Not too concerned you’d consider this my fault. You wrote several paragraphs and said basically nothing.