Abstract page for arXiv paper 2604.03136: StoryScope: Investigating idiosyncrasies in AI fiction

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    the reality of people getting their lives fucked through some automated allegation machine?

    The reality is: you are fucked with or without the stamp of approval from academia. Get over the ratings game, nobody cares if you got an A+ in Algebra III or a higher than 3.75 GPA. They (that would hire you) usually don’t care about what school you went to except to make football conversation. If one boots you, there are 4000 more out there just as willing to give you another chance.

    Big talk about academic integity has been exactly that for 50+ years: big talk, very little action in reality. If you’re a one in a million victim of terrible application of technology - you’ve got a good chance of winning a fat discrimination lawsuit, if that’s how you want to live your life.

    Would you, maybe, condense your point

    No, but I’ll give you a couple of links to read: let me know what you think AFTER you’ve gotten at least 1/2 way through: https://rmst202.sites.olt.ubc.ca/files/2022/04/illich_deschooling-society.pdf https://arl.human.cornell.edu/linked docs/Illich_Tools_for_Conviviality.pdf

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      Thankfully, I am not your pupil. If you’re not able to make an argument without sending people off to read into your own philosophies, you ultimately failed to make an argument.

      You’re’ making a categorical error, as this thread is about an Automaton having direct, tangible real-world consequences for people’s live trajectory. It’s not about the legitimacy of the educational system itself, not about the relevance of grades. If it was, I would probably even agree with you.

      Now, that your initial, ideological take has been rebuked after the very first try, you keep arguing a strawman from a privileged position of survivorship bias, with an outdated anecdote and an absolute refusal to acknowledge differential vulnerability, by reducing your pompous deliberations about systemic rot into individual failure. Effectively a cruel form of victim-blaming disguised as enlightenment. And probably one of the most US-American things to do.

      But what is it now, the failure of the system or of the individual? Because your argument seems to be condemning the system as irredeemably corrupt, yet simultaneously you blame individuals for not transcending it. If the system is so rotten, how can individual failure to escape it be a moral failing? Of course you can’t escape that contradiction without exposing your very own misanthropic disgust for those that didn’t manage.

      You, the irrelevant comet in my orbit, only drift further off into the void now, by distorting the problem of a 7% false-positive rate on a life-altering accusation into a one in a million (0.0001%) chance of terrible application of technology. Mixed with unfounded empirical claims about the material conditions about the labor market in the 21 century and spiteful jabs at potential live choices of the ones falling through the cracks.

      Your attempts to claim authority are merely furthering your illegitimacy as a serious person. You’re dismissed. Off you go, lil’ irrelevant comet.

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        It’s not about the legitimacy of the educational system itself

        Isn’t it? If a bunch of loan sharks are suddenly impeding their borrowers ability to pay because their borrowers have used AI, is AI the problem? As a society, the British empire and colonies transcended debtors prisons some centuries ago, as counterproductive as public hangings of pickpockets.

        rebuked after the very first try

        In your head.

        victim-blaming

        The victims aren’t being victimized by the University’s use of (insert new thing here), they’ve been victimized for decades by overpriced education coupled with a limp job market.

        system as irredeemably corrupt

        Is it not?

        the system is so rotten, how can individual failure to escape it be a moral failing?

        The individuals are flocking to the rotten system which gives little benfit to most, negative benefits to many, and now it’s threatening to throw them out for embracing a future that the rotten system can’t keep up with. This isn’t victim blaming, it’s redirecting gasoline soaked refugees away from a burning building advertising itself as a safe shelter.

        a 7% false-positive rate on a life-altering accusation

        Show me the university that’s taking these false life-altering actions - where’s the list of expelled students? That’s going to turn into a list of fat lawsuits and payouts if it exists, which it doesn’t, because the Universities would never expel their golden geese. This is hot-air threats just as every “academic integrity” bluster of the past 50 years has been.

        Your attempts to claim authority

        I’m no authority, I’m a single column of text on the internet, yet you react as if you are threatened…