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Aside from complaining, make sure to do something about it. Otherwise there’s no point.
- Absolutely use uBlock Origin and Sponsorblock on all devices you watch youtube on.
- There’s a Return Youtube Dislike extension you can use. Bonus: you can use data from it to shame various’ companies videos, which is what youtube primarily wanted to avoid by removing dislikes.
- For creators mostly - there are other video-sharing websites you can post your content on (or even easily mirror your youtube uploads). Make sure to upload somewhere else too, so that more people can leave youtube forever.
Do whatever you can to harm youtube (or Google more broadly), as well as support alternatives. Memes and complaining by themselves are pointless, and solve zero issues.
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https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp
I cringe on the inside whenever i see the normal YouTube website these days. Take the content, forget the platform.
Use Return of ytDislike
The decision to kill the dislike button is very much strictly anti consumer and marks the beginning of the enshitification of youtube, especially the enshitification of the comment section. It use to be that if someone had the most dogshit opinion, they would be disliked into oblivion and nobody would see it. Now even the worst opinions imaginable will be pushed to the top if it can find 100 like minded mouth breathers, effectively normalizing it in the eyes of the average viewer. Same goes for whole videos too. I desperately wish we would come up with a real federated alternative to it, because right now its actively contributing to the decline of humanity.
It became shit when googol bought it.
PeerTube?
Any service only cares about engagement so the dislike was never really useful because the core of engagement is rage bait. The only way to truly downvote content is to not engage with it whatsoever. Ex. The only way to dislike Instagram is to not use the platform
The opposite of love isn’t hate, it’s indifference
The problem is that sometimes you can’t know whether the content is worth engaging until you view it. At least YouTube shorts still have the “Don’t recommend channel” option.
Why’d you specify shorts? That’s a thing normal videos too (both “not interested” and “don’t recommend channel”).
Because those are what they removed the dislike button from.
Yea, about that. I have a channel that no matter how many times i say “don’t recommend me this channel” i would keep getting it, to comedic effect. Like i would press the button and then immediately get the same channel 4 times in a row. I have now pressed that button maybe 30 times and it is still showing up. Fuck YouTube.
youtube.com/feed/subscriptions
Set that as your default youtube homepage. It shows you ONLY channels you’re subscribed to, with all their most recent videos in chronological order. No algorithm, and only what you want to see.
I’m sure youtube will kill that sooner or later, but for now, it’s the only way to go.
True but one can mitigate engagement. View < comment < like < share < follow and so on (not exactly sure of the order but you get the idea). Maybe the best would be to block the account after following or report the content, that is short of leaving the platform all together.
You mean it can’t detect hatewatching?
It’s unfortunately still engagement and it feeds the algorithm all the same.
Yes! I’m not on insta or TikTok, but people will share horrible things like “can you believe they said this?” And yes, quite frankly I can because here you are commenting on it and sharing it. It’s like people don’t understand the concept of engagement. If someone has a video abusing their child, just report the video and potentially send it to the authorities if needed. Don’t comment and share the video!
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I remember Reddit used to have the ability to show both upvote and downvotes. I miss that feature.
Lemmy has this feature which is really nice… -20 points doesn’t show +20 and -40. It mentally feels a lot better to know that 20 people agreed with you even if more people disagreed
Also, +10 & -10 is a lot better than just “1”. The former is controversial while the latter is lack of engagement entirely.
I often wonder if that is the reason Reddit dropped it, to make controlling and influencing the user base easier? A joke example, seeing +100 to -99 votes regarding the sacrilege or glory of pineapple on pizza is a lot different then just +1 or -1
Reddit’s shadow ban system is another part of why I don’t trust them. Plenty of times I’ve seen posts where metadata says there are multiple comments but instead its empty without even the
[]trail. Could be just their distributed database taking its sweet ass time to become consistent or maybe those people are on some sort of shit list?For myself I know I keep saying something that results in me getting some extra attention from an LLM because I keep getting sub 30 second instant bans and warnings for ambiguous comments that sound threatening but aren’t. I lost a 20 year old account because of the comment “We should never have killed that fucking bear” being determined as advocating violence.
Also makes it easier to fudge vote totals in order to promote content they want to force on people. Now they just need to increase one number, rather than trying to give it a believable number of upvotes and downvotes.
I kept getting shadow banned constantly. My comments ending up with 1 view no up or down votes. For completely arbitrary reasons as well. And I got completely banned from a few communities by accidentally using extremist terminology (?).
And yes I don’t doubt they removed it for a reason, it makes it a much less friendly place. Like you’re putting down and directly affecting the other person rather than just disagreeing. It’s hard to explain.
I kept getting shadow banned constantly. My comments ending up with 1 view no up or down votes. For completely arbitrary reasons as well.
Same. Pretty sure it’s because I was using a VPN. Gave up on it a while ago; haven’t looked back.
This is my third account in the piefed/lemmy universe and the experience feels a lot like the years immediately after Digg imploded but before the incident with the first censorship revolt (I forget what that was even about). That’s when the first big change to the “Hot” algorithm was made that made it easier to moderate but also made the site more stale.
Thinking about what that website was like then vs now is more than a bit depressing actually. I knew a handful of the original reddit dev’s at a professional level after meeting them at a couple PyCon’s. Still have a couple of the Reddit stickers they would randomly hand out to people. I don’t think I ever met Aaron in person but I talked shop with him a lot about the python framework he had made. Bleh.
Out of curiosity, what’s the purpose of multiple accounts?
Identity management and security.
So this username is DevDave but hilariously there are about five (down from seven) different David’s fighting over this handle. It’s hilarious because as soon as one of us signs up with this handle to a new service, we send a friend invite to the others as a not to subtle “First!” with both middle fingers. Yes it does narrow things down from ~8 billion to five, but since we are all in tech and are interweaving its hard to know who is actually who and it creates an interesting level of chaos. Otherwise this my random bullshit account and I don’t type anything here I wouldn’t say out loud in public.
The others are more isolated/specific due to reasons.
That makes sense. I kind of just assume everyone can find out my identity if they try hard enough. So my infosec is as if I’m speaking to a stranger on a nearby train. They could probably follow me home but I don’t give them a reason to and I don’t say anything incriminating.
The astonishing part is how they manage to both be overly heavy-handed on moderation and STILL keep floating a fuckton of racism and other bigotry to the top.
Their moderation is pro-racism.
The racists don’t block ads
accidentally using extremist terminology
That’s similar to how I learned about Reddit’s stance on punching Nazis.
Terrible news: you actually can get the breakdown, including who voted up or down.
I don’t see a problem with that. I don’t personally care who specifically voted for anything, but I also don’t mind if someone knows I was the one who did it
nice.
It is possible to see those numbers, it’s just super janky. If you click on the upvote count in a web browser, a tooltip pops up showing the breakdown of up vs. down votes. Usually… well, sometimes. It helps to zoom way far in and hit it exactly in the center of the number.
I miss Lemmy’s better UI presentation of things, and also its vastly superior searching, but otherwise PieFed seems better in every way.
Luckily I have “Return YouTube Dislike” on my modded YouTube client
Afaik these add-ons only count the dislikes from other people who use the add-on. It’s a half-measure and doesn’t reveal real dislike count.
Correct, it extrapolates the dislike count from the people that use the add-on on the total amount of views. It’s by no means accurate, but gives a general sense of community sentiment towards a specific video. But I still miss the time I could look at a videos vote ratio and easily determine whether or not it was a scam or legit
Money… It looks better not to show dislikes and it puts users into echo chamber.
That’s pretty much all social media’s pipeline right now, just take a look at Bluesky and you’ll see aside from reporting a post/comment there’s no way to downvote/dislike.
Bluesky is a bad example for no dislike, as it is Twitter-like which also has no dislikes. Same with Mastodon and many other post-based Fedi platforms.
YouTube could only envy Pornhub.
Pornhub has way better content
I’m working on starting a completely SFW channel, and I legitimately am considering posting the videos on Pornhub rather than youtube.
AND they even have porn, too!
Better volume controls also
This is crucial
When you remove the value of dislikes, it also removes the value of likes to users.
Does anyone know is there a reason why they got rid of dislike? I’d have thought they’d want it to help improve recommendations?
They want more money. Helping the user is only good if it makes money. Anyway, down votes give viewers more information, and probably YT wants to doctor the data in a way that downvotes block.
For example, I would always downvote AI content if allowed. So would countless others. But YT wants people to watch it, right? So they gotta suppress our negative feedback.
Youtube wants you to brainlessly watch whatever the algorithm spits at you next. Ideally, you’d have no information at all about the video before watching it. No title, no creator name, no view count, no thumbnail, nothing. Just CONSOOM. Attach their autoplay slop hose directly to your mouth and don’t ask questions about what’s flowing through it.
If I recall correctly, they said it was to preview “review bombing” of small channel. They said that a few weeks after YouTube’s own channel published one of the most disliked video ever (YouTube rewind).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-disliked_YouTube_videos
It’s the children who are wrong.
December 13th 2021(og dislike removal day) happened like 3 years after rewind 2018 dislike bombing
The main reason cited was that downvotes discouraged creators from naming and uploading content. There’s probably some truth to it. If I got served with a 10 minute tutorial video and a 60% vote ratio I’m probably not watching that very far.
It was routinely being gamed, made it kinda useless for semi popular stuff when you couldn’t tell if something was actually garbage, or just had upset the wrong people.
Honestly I’d rather have that now, a sizable minority of users hate AI videos.
I witnessed it appear and then disappear, a strange feeling indeed.
You see them on SmarTube. But I imagine, like most voting on the internet, it snowballs from whatever tilt it initially showed. People be herds like that. They’ll dislike or disagree with something, but change that opinion once they see what “most” others think at that time. Even if it’s 2 Likes and 1 Dislike.
And that is a fantastic pathway for engagement and ad revenue. “Markets” or market segmentation, are just our fancy terms for herds.
Everyone is upvoting this comment so I must downvote to prove I’m not part of the herd
Name something more useless than the dislike button in comments
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