Wow, what pioneers. What titans of the tech industry. So brave of them.
that would have been a lot cooler before they pissed and shat all over their consumer base.
Wow! They’re finally doing the bare minimum.
This has been complained about for-fucking-ever. Why’d they suddenly decide to do it now? They must be losing more customers than I realized.
Lol yep seeing these moves look more pathetic than humble. When some one tells you who they are listen.
Obviously, loosing a chunk of market to LMCE, Bazzite, Pop_OS!, Arch, etc.
Just wait til GabeN drops a nuke in a face of a Steam Machine. Bet we gonna see a humongous influx of users in Linux space after. Gaming companies already are trying to adapt to the possible market swing. Once software marked goes Linux, Microsoft will go bankrupt in a jiffy.
Still haven’t caught up to Linux, where almost all updates require no reboot at all … and even when a reboot is recommended, it’s only recommended. You’re completely free to decide when and if you’ll reboot it.
Updates also won’t load for 10 minutes after reboot. It just boots back and that’s it.
And the best part: if you click Shut down, it will actually shut down and then update at next boot instead of “Update and shut down” that is really an “Update and restart”.
It should be noted that a reboot should be done so your systems starts with the new packages/libraries.
Updating doesn’t mean you are automatically running the new installed files. Some people mistake an upgrade for a fully updated kernel/services running in memory. Some you can get away with by restarting the services.
If you happen to be on a zypper package manager run zypper ps -s, it will list packages that have been installed but are pending a restart, moreso it notes things running on deleted files.
Maybe there is a similar command for apt
Debianite distros have /var/run/reboot-required. It doesn’t tell you which packages, though, just if you should reboot.
True, true. But there’s miles and miles of difference between “You should reboot at your earliest convenience, but it’s ultimately optional” and “Microsoft’s computer is rebooting NOW – better hope you weren’t planning on doing anything important in the next 30 minutes.”
(Oh yeah, and about that ‘30 minutes’ part – On Linux, you reboot to apply updates that are already installed. The update reboot doesn’t take any longer than any normal reboot. On Windows, for some dumbass reason, the update has to be installed during the reboot, which can make the mandatory reboot take much, much longer than a normal boot.)
The trick on Windows is to set your networks as Metered connections, it then let’s you know there are updates but won’t downloaf/apply them till you ask it to.
It sucks though because you have to unoause one drive a lot to sync files.
For some reason Fedora does the same shit when you update from the Software app. Gnome version, perhaps KDE is different. And I really don’t understand why, as
dnf updatedoes the thing as it should be.Same on OpenSUSE. Seems CLI update is normal way, the GNOME software updater seems to handle it slightly different, and you get a checkbox If you shutdown that says “install pending updates”
Yes, it’s exactly like this.
On the KDE version you just get a permanent notification in the tray reminding you that you should reboot. It can so it automatically though if you choose so in the Discover app.
But will it install those updates during the reboot? Or will it update just to apply the updates?
As the Gnome version (non-mutable, meaning not Silverblue) does not update a thing, even a browser. It updates during the reboot, by rebooting into some special state, akin to macOS (and perhaps Windows, haven’t been using one for decades) then it reboots again.
Since the latest update of Fedora (50? I lost the count at this point) it does the reboot even when you ask to shutdown the computer after updates.
I haven’t checked whether
dnf updateupdates things right away (like browser), mostly because that’s a shared family computer, which I don’t touch most of the time. And I try to use it as I use macOS (as a normie would use), just to check out whether it’s a viable system yet. (It mostly is, but there are weird bugs that’s easy to resolve only when you’re knowledgeable of Linux.)But it does not do the extra reboot and install updates thing. That’s why I’m puzzled why is it there in the first place?
As the Gnome version (non-mutable, meaning not Silverblue) does not update a thing, even a browser. It updates during the reboot, by rebooting into some special state, akin to macOS (and perhaps Windows, haven’t been using one for decades) then it reboots again.
Since the latest update of Fedora (50? I lost the count at this point) it does the reboot even when you ask to shutdown the computer after updates.
What the fuck?
My interest in ever using Fedora has now decreased even further. What are they trying to do, copy the shitty Windows update method exactly? No other Linux distro I’ve ever tried has done shit like that.
Oh yeah, no, that’s the same on KDE, I thought you were just referring to the automatic reboot thing, my bad.
Also don’t know if it works differently with dnf, since it never bothered me that much
So when do we get to decide when the update happens? Hate coming into the office and seeing the ‘lets get you started’ screen for the 15th time.
Linux:
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I don’t even know what this is. Reboots have been once a month for a long time now.
Worked in IT a long while ago and Windows updates were a waking nightmare. Good to see that they’re trying to compete with superior operating systems 10 years too late
I wonder when Microsoft will consider making windows not suck?
Rant:
I mean, people have been asking for better control of Windows updates since Windows XP, so that’s like what? 25 years? It took them to realize that that’s something customers wanted?
Having an operating system that does not suck should be on the very, very top of their priority list.
We’re not concerned about features.
What we want is no AI, or opt-in AI only. We don’t want your edge bullshit. I don’t mind the browser itself. I don’t mind that it comes pre-installed on Windows. That’s perfectly fine.
But when you know people hate your browser so much that the only way you can get people to use it is by rewiring your other programs to sneakily launch edge?
And you keep moving the thing that disables that?
and re-enabling it with updates so that people have to go and find where it was enabled to disable it all over again?
And this happens two or more times a year?
Fuck you, Microsoft. Completely and totally fuck you. Fuck you to death. I hope you burn to the ground. I hope everyone in the building gets caught inside of it and burns to the ground with you.
I hope all of your software is completely lost, all of your source code is permanently destroyed, I hope that Mother Nature salts the Earth with you, and I hope that any person that has ever been a c-rank level manager at Microsoft or higher gets space rabies.
I hope all of that because you cannot understand the very, very simple concept of consent.
Microslop is a software rapist.
Which makes sense since Bill Gates is likely a rapist, and at least guaranteed to be a whoremonger and the kind of person who will infect his wife with an STD that he caught from a Russian whore and then try to sneakily give her drugs to cure them so that he doesn’t get caught because he’s a little bitty pussy boy who can’t stand up to the pressure of dealing with the consequences of his own actions.
Once again, I don’t hate the products themselves. I hate the fact that you’re forcing them on us. Fucking stop. Consent is always key in everything that involves more than one person.
It would be nice if Fedora did that as well.
Don’t recall even having multiple reboots for updates on Fedora. It get’s done in 1 reboot.
I’m glad that it does not.
Most Fedora updates are very small and very quickly installed.
