• Burray_Mookchin@lemmy.ml
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    It’s insulting that this guy says 70k like it’s a low salary (for “kids” as he says). I make a quarter of that. I also know a lot more retired old people who never made close to that in their lifetime than ones who did make that much

    And if I did make that much it would still feel insulting because I’m pretty sure most people making 70k can easily afford weekly $28 lunches…

    Edit: Just saw that this motherfucker is wearing two expensive watches on the photo… absolutely repulsive person

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      Adjusted for inflation the average worker in the 80’s and 90’s made way more than 70k a yr. I made 60k in 2000, that’s $120k today.

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        Yeah the fact that the wages are stagnating is another thing, I’m just saying from where me and most of the people of all ages in my life are standing, 70k is a lot.

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          Depends on the city you live in and your situation. Single in a small town 70k good. Family of 4 in the city and you wouldn’t even qualify for a home loan and are probably in assistance.

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            70k is 3,5k/mo after taxes in my country. Doesnt really matter where you live with that you could be paying 2500 in rent and still be loaded for the month. Look all I’m saying is this O’Leary guy is a fucking prick and most people never see 70k in their lifetime

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              You say “loaded” but you wouldn’t be able to pay for college without debt, wouldn’t be able to buy a house, wouldn’t be able to afford to retire, or save much, couldn’t afford vacations, and couldn’t even afford a new economy car.

              That isn’t loaded, that’s being poor.

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                  This is exactly what is expected to happen. People complaining/arguing but not complaining/arguing about the correct issue.

                  70k by everyone’s standards other than the top 1% is a lot of money, because we have always had to focus on surviving and can make that amount work. Life isnt going to be roses, but it will be life. It really does come down to buying power, but also priority. Back in the 70/80s buying tech (tvs, computers) was insanely expensive. Now you can pick up a 65in for like 200usd. Back in the 90s a new car was under 10k. Now a decent car bought new is 35/40k. Housing…I am not even going to touch it. I bought a 5 bedroom 2400sq ft for 89k in PA in the early 2000s, now that house on zillow is 350k. I only had it a year and I sold it for 85k after closing and everything. Prices for things have flipped for a lot of items that used to be luxury compared to necessity. That’s how we can afford avocado toast because we can only afford eggs/bread/ and a single avocado.

                  I dont want to start a 2nd argument, and I am not confident I am getting my point across. I just feel all that are here arguing should not be arguing amongst ourselves since we are essentially in the same boat amd should be putting our efforts at the real issue.

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      A lot of older folks made more than 70k by a fair margin when you account for buying power and quality of life.

      You have to adjust numbers for more then just inflation if you want a remotely accurate comparison.

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      This is the new avocado toast slur that boomers are gonna use to describe the younger generations lack of not being able to afford anything.

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    I’ve seen this argument from people before, with avocado toast and Starbucks and everything else, but no one seems to ask why lunch is $28 or blame the people charging $28 for lunch as part of the problem

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      I wasn’t for most of my life until I finally was and then I became disabled shortly thereafter, prompting the government to decide that I should live on sub-poverty wages which aren’t enough to feed myself because it’s easier and cheaper for them if I just die.

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    I went to Subway last night. You know, the 5-dollar footlong place.

    A footlong sub was $12 (not the meal - just the sandwich).

    McDonalds is charging 8 dollars for a breakfast muffin.

    My rent has gone from 800 to 2000 since Covid.

    I have to fill my tank 3 times a weeks, and right now that costs 50 bucks.

    On top of that, I have to help my parents out because their pension didn’t account for real-world inflation and their extremely comfy retirement turned out not to be nearly enough when the grocery bill doubled.

    That 73k I make does less than the 30k I made back in 2016.

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      now imagine you still make 30k and also most of your friends cant get jobs to begin with and still with parents in their mid 20s and also half of them are having mental breakdowns and thats the gen z experience

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        I get it. I am barely past living paycheck-to-paycheck having changed nothing about my lifestyle since I made half as much (using the same same rental, car, laptop, and everything), so making 30k today would be worse than making minimum wage was just a few years ago, when it was already shamefully low.

        I do have a new job that pays way more, but my commute is absolute dogshit because the place I work is SUPER expensive. I work for a city where literally 100% of the households are multi-millionaires, and we have a few 11 and 12-figure residents.

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    Wait is $70,000 a year a low amount of money? That’s an insane amount of money to be considered poor.

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      70k is basically living in the streets in a chunk of America while a few places it’s living like a king.

      But those places are quickly going away.

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      The average income is around $84,000, so if you are making less, your employer is fucking you over. The difference between your income and $84,000, is what your employer stole from you and called “Profit.”

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    Bruh, I wish I made $70,000/yr. It was what I went to college for after all only for the entire world to change after 4 years, now I can’t afford myself and in debt.

    Regardless, this is ignoring the fact that inflation has increased the cost of groceries in general, not just lunch. Even though Trump ran on it, apparently inflation never actually happened now that he’s in office. The collective amnesia from the right when it benefits them is just infuriating

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            I just got rejected after 8 rounds of interviews with 5 years and management experience in my field. It is not a good time to be job searching in tech.

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                Welcome to tech. It’s pretty fucking ridiculous.

                (For example, I just got a position where the primary duty is to support an information system I designed and built for them and I still had to do 3 rounds of interview)

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                  We’ve only done multiple rounds of interviews for very impressive candidates that are already a big yes, where they’re being shown to progressively higher ranking staff as a “wow you gotta meet this person”

                  This is a big tech company

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            Trust me, I’ve tried since graduating in 2024 to get a job within the field I studied. There’s a lot of CS jobs, but absolutely none for a entry level position. I’ve long given up for now, especially since a recession might finally hit the second I actually get a good job and then I’d be completely unemployed. Maybe I’ll use what I studied in the future but it doesn’t look like it for now.

            Before your objection that I should’ve gotten an internship during college as well to get actual work experience rather than just doing really well in my classes, I tried. I used to spend just as much time trying to get an internship than actually studying only for me to never get any kind of response let alone a fucking interview. That’s the depressing part, I saw this coming, tried my best to avoid it, only for my work learning additional skills outside of class to make me more appealing and constantly applying for jobs to have all been for nothing. I spent so much time I could have been doing to build an actual social life only to get smacked with reality

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              I don’t know much about your situation and your specific skills, but one way to get experience in many CS jobs is doing work on a FOSS project or starting your own. At least it would help keeping your skills sharp and updated. But i know that this takes a lot of effort and it’s unpaid work, which might not be possible if you actually have to do something to pay the rent.

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                I’ve considered developing my own FOSS application. If I were to ever do one, it would be focused on being something that Linux Mobile or Ubuntu Touch doesn’t already have since they don’t have much support yet. Thought about making some kind of Linux application in general, but any idea I came up with either has already been or definitely couldn’t be maintained long term by just one person.

                I do work full time already, but switching from Android to either Droidian or Ubuntu Touch after the great lockdown will probably make me want to make the experience on them better anyway. So yeah, definitely been throwing around the idea of getting involved in the FOSS community, but don’t want to contribute to an already existing project since I’m not THAT confident in my programming skills just yet.

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              Like the other commenter said, do you have any projects you’ve been working on that could showcase your skills or add some weight to your resume? Are you applying for software engineering roles? Is the city you’re applying in unfit for tech?

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                I haven’t been actively applying as of recently, but I have done plenty in the past 2 years. The state I currently live in perhaps might no longer be fit for tech, not entirely sure anymore, but I was applying for jobs way outside of my home state as well since I’d be willing to move pretty far for an opportunity. I am considering working on a project in the future within the FOSS community