• Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    16
    ·
    4 days ago

    Do you? Capitalism is quite literally the idea that private individuals can own and control the means of production.

    • BCsven@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 days ago

      So not the same as all the workers owning the factory…just one guy maybe.

    • zbyte64@awful.systems
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      4 days ago

      Go a step further and argue Monarchies are really capitalism as well because the king is a private individual owning the means of production.

        • zbyte64@awful.systems
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          4 days ago

          More than that, we’re capable of ignoring the personal attacks and push the point further. Capitalism is sociopolitical so dismissing comparisons to other political arrangements is silly

          • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            3 days ago

            Capitalism is not sociopolitical, it’s an economic system. You don’t even have a point to push because you clearly don’t even understand what capitalism is, let alone make valid comparisons for it. Comparing capitalism to monarchy is like comparing luggage to airplanes, it’s just not the same thing.

            • zbyte64@awful.systems
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              2
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              3 days ago

              You pointed out how capitalism depends on private property, that is a social relationship that is backed by political power to enforce said property rights. You can try to redefine economics but you can’t escape observed reality. But please continue to insist I don’t know what i am talking about, it truly adds value to the debate. You should actually require payment before making such statements

              • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                3 days ago

                You keep making one ignorant statement after another while doubling down on being a smug pseudointellectual. All economic systems are backed by their government, and all governments have a monopoly on violence to maintain order. That’s not a revelation of anything but your ignorance. All societies in history with a socialist system have the same exact dynamic. This doesn’t change the fact that monarchy and capitalism aren’t comparable because they’re fundamentally different concepts. If you’re going to double down again on such a painfully false notion, then this conversation is not worth continuing.

                • zbyte64@awful.systems
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 days ago

                  Monarchy and Capitlism are different concepts but I am not the one who offered a definition of Capitalism so broad that it would include Monarchy. It was my mistake to get distracted by yet another inaccuracy.

    • MyVeryRealName@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 days ago

      No. Marx, who defined Capitalism was clear that it was a state of the world where most wealth was controlled by a select few.

          • Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 day ago

            No, you’re still wrong. There is not single person who made or defined capitalism. It’s a concept that evolved through through the contributions of multiple philosophers and economists in different times. Kind of like the internet. It’s not like Marxism where it has specific inventors that you can point to.