however the GOP is doing this because they’re looking at heavy losses across the board, not just in VA.
Do… do you just not understand what happened in Virginia or what this decision represents?
First off. The GOP didn’t do this. It was a Virginia supreme court decision about a technicality that they are saying the Virginia state legislature fucked up on some timing and details. The GOP wasn’t involved. The Democrats in Virginia did this, as in, they were moving forwards with a gerrymander in Virginia which would favor Democrats. So its gerrymandering, but in favor of Democrats.
I think you’re missing the whole picture to be honest.
I don’t think you’re even in the right museum. Maybe you thought this was an article about red-state/ GOP led redistricting? Which is part of the conversation, but not what this specific, extremely disappointing article is about.
This is about Democratic led redistricting getting shut down by the courts while GOP redistricting is being allowed to proceed.
I understand dooming and all, but I think it’s too soon to say that the Dems will certainly lose the house.
We were absolutely doomed before Dems picked up and started actually fighting fire with fire regarding redistricting. No buts about it. But we saw a genuine turn with California and Virginia taking up the mantle and deciding that if the GOP is going to re-district, that they would too. It was a genuinely good thing and its why the narrative shifted towards the Dems taking the house and maybe even the Senate.
However if only the GOP is allowed to redistrict, then we’re one hundred percent doomed because with the dissolution of the voting rights act, it absolutely does put the Dems at such a structural disadvantage, its hard to see a practical path for them taking the house. Its not too soon to be able to say that. We knew that to be the case it in 1965 because we lived that reality and passed to voting rights act to address it.
The GOP didn’t do this. It was a Virginia supreme court decision
A Republican majority decision. Everything after this part was irrelevant or frankly wrong. Like this but:
We were absolutely doomed
Crawl out from under your rock. Even decently liked presidents lose double digit house seats in the midterms, they’re barely hanging onto the majority right now, with just a couple seat advantage.
A Republican majority decision. Everything after this part was irrelevant or frankly wrong. Like this but:
Its still not the GOP. And nothing I said was irrelevant or wrong.
Crawl out from under your rock.
You crawl out from under your rock and look at the decisions being made at the SC right now. Republicans have carte-blanc to redistrict as they see fit. Democrats aren’t being allowed to respond in-kind. Before California and Virginia took up the redistricting process, we were not talking about Dem’s taking the house. Now were looking at facing even more structural barriers to doing so, not to mention the almost certainty of ICE fuckery around the election and the absolute certainty of court challenges whenever convenient, voter roll purges, polling place changes, and whatever else we can and should expect to happen between now and then.
You can’t just keep “hoping” things will be fine by following the process, if the consequences of that process failing are that you no longer have a democracy, which is the consequence we’re facing. This needs to be treated like a 3-alarm fire and responded to as such. Hope among Democrats is what has continuously led to things getting worse. Hope isn’t a strategy.
Yes we were. You deciding to ignore more context doesn’t make you less wrong here. But it is pointless continue this conversation because you’re still unable to follow it.
Do… do you just not understand what happened in Virginia or what this decision represents?
First off. The GOP didn’t do this. It was a Virginia supreme court decision about a technicality that they are saying the Virginia state legislature fucked up on some timing and details. The GOP wasn’t involved. The Democrats in Virginia did this, as in, they were moving forwards with a gerrymander in Virginia which would favor Democrats. So its gerrymandering, but in favor of Democrats.
I don’t think you’re even in the right museum. Maybe you thought this was an article about red-state/ GOP led redistricting? Which is part of the conversation, but not what this specific, extremely disappointing article is about.
This is about Democratic led redistricting getting shut down by the courts while GOP redistricting is being allowed to proceed.
We were absolutely doomed before Dems picked up and started actually fighting fire with fire regarding redistricting. No buts about it. But we saw a genuine turn with California and Virginia taking up the mantle and deciding that if the GOP is going to re-district, that they would too. It was a genuinely good thing and its why the narrative shifted towards the Dems taking the house and maybe even the Senate.
However if only the GOP is allowed to redistrict, then we’re one hundred percent doomed because with the dissolution of the voting rights act, it absolutely does put the Dems at such a structural disadvantage, its hard to see a practical path for them taking the house. Its not too soon to be able to say that. We knew that to be the case it in 1965 because we lived that reality and passed to voting rights act to address it.
A Republican majority decision. Everything after this part was irrelevant or frankly wrong. Like this but:
Crawl out from under your rock. Even decently liked presidents lose double digit house seats in the midterms, they’re barely hanging onto the majority right now, with just a couple seat advantage.
Its still not the GOP. And nothing I said was irrelevant or wrong.
You crawl out from under your rock and look at the decisions being made at the SC right now. Republicans have carte-blanc to redistrict as they see fit. Democrats aren’t being allowed to respond in-kind. Before California and Virginia took up the redistricting process, we were not talking about Dem’s taking the house. Now were looking at facing even more structural barriers to doing so, not to mention the almost certainty of ICE fuckery around the election and the absolute certainty of court challenges whenever convenient, voter roll purges, polling place changes, and whatever else we can and should expect to happen between now and then.
You can’t just keep “hoping” things will be fine by following the process, if the consequences of that process failing are that you no longer have a democracy, which is the consequence we’re facing. This needs to be treated like a 3-alarm fire and responded to as such. Hope among Democrats is what has continuously led to things getting worse. Hope isn’t a strategy.
Yes we were. You deciding to ignore more context doesn’t make you less wrong here. But it is pointless continue this conversation because you’re still unable to follow it.