LMFAO
All of the price for none of the benefits lmao
“It’s a bold strategy, Cotton.”
You know, Windows 2000 was pretty fucking rock solid. It was a beast. NT kernel but none of the fisher price theming of XP (yeah I know, you could turn that off). XP was pretty good too, tbh.
But hoooooo boy has it been a slow, agonizing shark jump from there.
Even ‘95 was pretty ok
95b… A and C were pretty bad. Different dev team.
98 SE wasn’t bad either.
And XPSP2 Lite is still really nice; community project that stripped out all the stuff not explicitly “operating system” so you could choose on your own what software to run on top of it.
I still run Lite in a VM on my M-series Mac. It runs all Windows software that isn’t locked down to Win10+ DRM.
Doesn’t MacOS have access to translation layers like Wine/Proton in combination with FEX? (I guess a VM would be nice for compartmentalizing things)
That’s a bit tricky right now actually; Rosetta 2 is being removed from the next OS, which kills all WINE/Proton support.
Things are still a bit up in the air about the future of Intel emulation on macOS.
Meanwhile, QEMU/UTM will continue to work just fine, and you can spin up a different Lite instance for each software configuration you want to compartmentalize.
This is incorrect. Apple have said Rosetta 2 support is staying around specifically for games. This has also been confirmed by Codeweavers.
They’ve said that some sort of support is staying around for games, but at the same time that system-wide Rosetta 2 support is being removed. The details about what that means about Intel translation for games is being clarified at WWDC this year. And what that means for WINE still hasn’t been clearly explained one way or the other.
Guess that’ll mean Mac gaming will become even more of a dead end then. I use a Linux Distro on an x86 laptop so the concept was just mostly curiosity. Maybe Asahi Linux on the M-series macbooks could be an option for continued support.
Linux gaming is pretty spectacular right now because of Proton tbh. It’s surprising that Apple hasn’t made it a priority. Not only can I run pretty much everything out of the box now, but I tend to get better performance than on Windows.
Did 7 have some hidden clause or something that’s not apparent to a user without forensic tools? I remember that revision being pretty swell. (Especially the enterprise branches)
The Home editions included hardware restrictions (a maximum of either 8 or 16 GB RAM depending on which of the two versions you got, and you couldn’t change language in any of the commercially available versions. While I can’t remember anything wrong with it, I was also like 10 when I used it and I highly suspect everyone’s memories of it are being biased by just how absolute dogshit 8 was on release.
Ultimate let you change languages, but cost more than Pro
Right, that edition is listed after enterprise on Wikipedia so my eyes just completely bounced over the fact it could be upgraded to from Pro.
Everyother version of windows has been good, the others are shit…
Gotta admit the pattern has held true
Except that implies Windows 12 or whatever is going to be good, which I currently struggle to imagine is possible without major structural changes to Microsoft’s entire corporate structure.
Except compare windows 8 to windows 10 totally different and they changed their entire direction. It’s possible.
I feel like they go “we need something new and fast. Forget quality or what people want just make it new and different.” and then a few years later “that was a mistake, make it work well and listen to the customers”… And repeat
Granted I’m running Debian but…
Rose-tinted glasses. Anyone going back to Windows XP would likely be shocked at how broken and unintuitive it could be at times.
7 was best. Everything after that has been unusable garbage.
I used to swear I’d never buy Mac because their ecosystem is so closed off.
And vouched for MS because yea it’s a bit more rough around the edges but you have a lot more freedom and it’s a fair amount cheaper.
Neithe of those are true anymore, MS is just as locked down and seems to cost more for the same hardware performance.
Why would anyone buy Microsoft laptops anymore? What does it have that Mac isn’t better in?
(other than gaming)
To put Linux on them, but now you have Linux laptops so,🤷🏼♀️
No I think that’s why you buy a 5 year old laptop on the used market.
I’m still not convinced laptops offer a whole lot these days. I ended up selling the ‘gaming’ laptop because a several year older desktop outclassed it in every way and I just kept going back to it for the higher resolution and oled monitor.
Then the work workstation laptop. Even though it was relatively small compared to older equivalents, it was oddly heavy and basically needed to be plugged in at all times.
They probably come in better than that varieties but its not a car or a house, not that those have any right being as expensive as they are either.
Ummm what? I feel the benefits of a laptop are obvious: being able to use a computer literally anywhere, instead of the one desk your computer is attached to.
I have 2 laptops for work that are both big and heavy, and I don’t love em, but my own personal laptop is a MacBook Air which is small, lightweight and can do anything I’d want from a portable device.
I love layout on the couch with my laptop and coding that way, at least for a few hours a day.
Can’t fix or upgrade Macs whatsoever as a layman. That alone guarantees I’ll never purchase one.
I was a bit more interested when Asahi Linux became a thing, but that doesn’t fix Apple’s addiction to planned obsolescence.
(Used windows laptops can just have linux installed on them for a fraction of the price as well.)
I also prefer just running Linux now.
But most people are fine just buying a mac, they do tend to last really really long
Didn’t Louis Rossmann make his career off showcasing all of the “amazing engineering choices” made throughout the Macbook and iPhone line?
Well if you’re near the purchasing decision for m365 MSFT is a lot better at lying to you, coercing you, weaponizing lock in, and extracting revenue.
fedora kde on a thinkpad yoga l380 works too
M’distro tips
Just the other day I had a guy tell me you could get a PC equivalent to the base M4 mini for $300 after I told him I got one for $650 (both prices CAD)
buying stolen stuff is possible, but I’m sure they were just bullshitting you because apple bad
Equivalent in size, yes. Performance, no. Just look up small form factor PC on Amazon. For just web browsing and streaming, you can do alright for $300.
Just don’t expect it to run Cyberpunk 2077.
Which the M4 mini base model can.
Equivalent in size, yes. Performance, no. Just look up small form factor PC on Amazon. For just web browsing and streaming, you can do alright for $300.
Just don’t expect it to run Cyberpunk 2077.
Which the M4 mini base model can.
Nice, where can I find m4 mini base model for $300?
You can’t, obviously, but you knew that. The point is, you’ll take a hit in performance. If you don’t care about the performance, spend the $300 on the Chinese mini PC. Hope it doesn’t have spyware.
Around Black Friday, the Mac mini was going for $480, which is damn close, but I try not to move goalposts if I can help it.
For just web browsing and streaming, you can do alright for $300.
Just don’t expect it to run Cyberpunk 2077.
Which the M4 mini base model can.
This you?
First you compare it to a lower priced shitty laptop and you’re now doubling down on “Chinese mini PC”.
I agree Apple ARM has better performance, I called you out on the comparison. There are more things to consider than “performance”.
And other things also go on sale on “Black Friday” including shitty Chinese mini PCs. That’s still not a valid comparison.
Try not to act like a cult making false comparisons next time.
K, thx. Bye!
I got insanely lucky and picked up a bunch of Lenovo tinys for under 100USD each. I5/16GB DDR4/256GB NVMe. They’re incredible. I would have gotten more if they have more!
An m4 mini still performs better, and these are used business machines. But they test out great! They perform amazingly with Linux and very well with Windows 10 LTSC IoT.
That’s pretty sick though. All my other machines run Linux, including my 2018 mini as of the day after I got the M4 :)
I’d pay 600-some for an m4 mini! I got a M4 air last year for 600USD and I didn’t think I needed one… I use the dang thing hours a day, every day, when I’m on other computers! I have not found a program, Windows or Linux, that comes ANYWHERE CLOSE to as good as iPhoto for managing my photos, too. My partner and I have over 100k photos from the decades we’ve been together and we just plop them on a library on an external SSD and back that up to a HDD. Even with a grillion photos, iPhoto doesn’t give a fuck, it handles them like a champ.
Also fuck windows for a lot of things but extra fuck windows for its lack of support for… HEIC? The nice photo format used commonly now. Linux loves it, windows refuses to touch them.
What flavor of Linux do you like?~ I’m new to Linus as a desktop OS after a few headless units doing server stuff in my house. I have a couple distros so far and they’ve all been great, Pop!_OS gave me the fewest issues and looks nice (pre-COSMIC… the COSMIC one feels unfinished as of yet)
I’m going to try some flavor of arch next but probably not expect it to go well for my first time jumping in the deep end. I love to hear folks’ opinions on what distros they like, tho! I’m also gonna throw Linux on my 2011 MacBook Pro, so we’ll see how that goes—with a SSD and 16GB DDR3, runs OSX very well still and I imagine Linux would run better!
I would recommend looking at Fedora for your next step in distro surfing. Fedora stays close to the bleeding edge without going full yeet over the edge. Fedora offers Gnome and KDE as the “standard” choices for your desktop and a good number of spins to look at also. Plus there are the Atomic versions as well.
One of the spins is the COSMIC DE, and I’m running it on a mini desktop. It’s OK, but I agree with you, it’s not quite finished yet. When Fedora 44 gets released, I think I will go back to LXQT on that box. I just rebased my Kinonite laptop to Aurora 44 Beta for fun.
Ooo I actually did Fedora with KDE as my most recent install! It’s now running as our living room media computer and my partner has no complaints! I DID have some issues, though—it was actually more difficult than I expected! At first, it refused to play any media from my SMB server from the integrated video player or even VLC. After a lot of digging, I learned that the Fedora version of VLC is not shipped with SMB support, so I had to go find and install Samba plugin. Then it played! Mostly. Except for when it didn’t play video, or a file at all. THEN I learned that Fedora doesn’t ship with the video codecs I’ve had in all my other OSes! So I find a helpful post from a while ago on some forum that leads me to install THOSE… and it works! VLC now plays everything, and from my server!
…oop, except the speakers make a loud horrible popping sound randomly when not playing media! This took me two days to fix. Initially I plugged in a 3.5mm to USB adapter and that worked fine with no pops, but the whole point of me playing with new OSes is to learn to how to fix things, first by searching the internet, then asking if I can’t do it myself (I have a couple friends who can fix legit ANYTHING Linux.) For the Fedora install, I was stubborn and REALLY didn’t wanna ask anyone for help. Eventually I found out the popping was caused by the system going into some sort of power save mode for audio. I found a terminal command that fixed it but it was back every reboot. I found a few different suggestions of edits I could to to config files and none worked. FINALLY one post had a suggestion for someone having the same issue that actually fixed it for me! I get a pop on startup, but most OSes do, and no pops at all when using the OS.
Overall, I like Fedora, but it did have more issues than I ran into when installing Pop!.
Last night, I got all messed up with my partner and played games with friends. Super early in the morning, I decided to wind down by trying to install CatchyOS alongside the Windows install that was already on another mini desktop I just switched out to the Fedora one. Since it’s a type of Arch Linux, I expected hilarious results, and me not being able to figure out how to install it at all, having heard of Arch’s high learning curve. In like 30 minutes, I had it installed, working perfectly with everything, VLC plays every file from my server, custom global themes work (still having trouble on my Fedora install with those…) and wow. I love it so far, but I’ve only used it for like a half hour last night and a bit this morning hahaha
Yeah, Fedora is into the open source only install thing. So Codecs don’t get installed by default and need to added later. Don’t feel bad about it. That catches a lot of first time users. They do make it pretty easy to get them installed once you know you need to do that.
The speaker thing was unfortunate. I’m notorious for buying the cheapest hardware I can find. And I think I only had that popping issue once years ago when distros were far more rough around the edges then they are today. My problem with Fedora is that it loses my printer randomly. But I don’t print a lot, so I haven’t bothered with looking for a fix.
You’ve still got a lot of surfing to do yet, and you’ve tried Fedora. CatchyOS is supposed to be pretty beginner-friendly for an Arch fork. But I’m not sure CatchyOS has a really high user retention rate. I should look into it one day, but I’m old, and my surfing days are over. I like atomic spins because once setup they require no effort on my part anymore. They are boring and I like it that way.
The speaker popping thing was so weird! It happened with anything plugged into the built-in 3.5mm jack, and it happened A LOT. It’s normal to hear that while first booting or shutting down, but Fedora did it like a LOT. The machine is a Lenovo Tiny, so it’s nice hardware. I have replicated the pops in Catchy now on another (identical) Lenovo Tiny, but only when it dims the screen for power-save mode. Solution: no more power save mode hahaha.
I didn’t even consider printer! I have a laserjet on my network, I’ll have to set that up on each of my distros and see how they handle it!
Cachy is the easiest Linux os I’ve ever used and I’ve used a good number of them.
I installed it last night while all messed up after played games online with friends all night and this morning I woke up with vague memories of doing so…. It’s working perfectly, it’s so fast and pretty. Holy balls. It has none of the issues my fedora install had and had to learn to fix, either. This fuuuucks. Thank you for the recco!
Haha that’s exactly how I felt after installing it! Glad you like it. Just to be aware, you can have issues, but I’ve only had issues like twice in the past 9 months and they were fixed by updating like a week later.
Dammmn you’re the second person in a row to recommend that to me. I’ve never touched arch, but I will for sure give it a shot! The other fella is a dev* for a really popular piece of software, crazy smart and nice dude~
Thank you for recommending! I will make that my next mission! :3
oof the author misspelt Microslop
Game over man
The 12" Surface pro doesn’t even come with a power supply. Even Apple still includes one with the iPad.
