Just to be clear. This is what Christians want. They want the world to end and they want everyone but them to suffer for eternity so they can feel smug. It’s all made up fairy tales but it’s what they want.
That’s the problem that non-Christians don’t understand. We think they’ll be afraid of the Anti-Christ, and do anything they can to avoid him, but they don’t see it that way.
Their ultimate objective is to get to heaven, and hang with God and Jesus (yeah, right, like they’ve been waiting throughout the history of mankind, just waiting for YOU to show up and brighten their day), and to do that, they have to go through the Rapture, and the Anti-Christ is what kicks that off.
So while it might be a bit inconvenient for a time, it will be worth it to get Raptured, and leave all the Atheists and bad Christians behind to suffer whatever torment they are fantasizing about.
So they welcome the Anti-Christ, the fucking weirdos.
I will also point out that the idea of a pre-tribulation Rapture is not biblically well-supported, and was pretty much made up out of whole cloth by dispensationalists in England as a way to make the idea of a doctrine focused on Revelation more palatable (“see, you’ll be taken to heaven in secret one day before all this happens”). It’s taken a LOT more root in America than it did in Europe, to the point that it’s mainstream doctrine among a lot of churches (thanks Tim LaHaye and Jerry B Jenkins for doing that, you weird fucks).
No I don’t. I don’t want the world to end, and I certainly don’t want anyone to suffer. Most Christians don’t. The fact that these sickos do, should be a glaring sign that they’re not following Christ. In fact, I’ve heard of supposedly “Christian” MAGAts complaining to their pastor after a sermon that that shit is too liberal, too woke, and doesn’t work. These conservatives preach the polar opposite of what Jesus taught.
If you want the biblical view on this, here’s what Thessalonians 2 has to say about this (just came across this on Mastodon):
“Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”
If I read that, I have to admit that does sound surprisingly like Trump. But he’s not on the side of God.
There’s more stuff about blaspheming and being believed despite his many lies in other books.
I don’t actually believe in the literal interpretation of such end time prophesies, and I certainly don’t see Trump as some diabolical entity, but he is by far the closest match to it that I’ve ever seen.
Y’all don’t get the benefit of us assuming most of you are decent. In fact I tend to assume the opposite, based on mountains of historical evidence and personal observations.
There might be some decent folks among you, but the idea that Christians as a whole don’t actively wish for the suffering of others (whether they frame it that way to themselves or not) is a laughable premise.
[Edit to add: there’s a simple causal relationship at root here, too - damn near every truly decent Christian person I’ve ever known, the more they learn about their religion and how it behaves in the world - the less Christian they get. The ones who remain as they mature - again in my experience - either deliberately have their heads in the sand, or have moral values that stand in opposition to the exact virtues espoused by Christ]
I can’t blame you for thinking that. There are absolutely terrible people who love nothing more than to use Christianity to justify their evil. And I can point out how what they do is the exact opposite of what Jesus said, but they ignore it or shout it down.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t also lots of Christians who do try to follow Jesus’s words. At the moment, for example, the Dutch parliament is considering a law that would make it illegal to help undocumented immigrants (whether asylum seekers or otherwise). A lot of churches are protesting that, because that’s one of the core things that churches have always been involved in: helping people in need, including undocumented immigrants.
The irony that this law is proposed by conservative parties that love to lay claim to the Christian identity is not lost on me, but it should be clear to anyone with the slightest knowledge about the bible which side is actually trying to do what Jesus asks of us.
I guess I should say my perspective above is kind of exclusively an American-centric one for the topic. I don’t know much about rank and file European Christians. Among American Christians there is a real hatred of “the other” at their core. Not everyone, but probably a significant majority.
I’m not American, but as far as I can tell, it’s also not universal among American Christians. Obama is not like that at all, and he’s a Christian. (And from my perspective, he’s a lot more Christian than any Republican.) It’s not even true for all Evangelicals, because Jimmy Carter was evangelical.
It’s just that Republicans try to paint the image that to be a Christian, you have to be a self-righteous hypocritical bigot, and too many people are buying into that narrative. Please don’t.
Sorry, this I thoroughly disagree with and know quite a bit about. There is a deep hatred at the core of American Christianity. And no, Obama does not count as a “good” one, his administration took countless deliberate actions against those less fortunate that would’ve made “Jesus” fly into a rage like the money-changers incident. You can’t be serious. Drone strikes on innocent civilians? Deporting people seeking a better life for themselves and their family? How about Guantanamo, real Christian stuff going on there? Closing that was a direct campaign promise.
This is the kind of stuff I mean, I don’t think you have a very accurate view at all. Again, all the truly loving and caring Christians I meet become less “Christian” over time. It’s just the ones who can tolerate the ugliness that retain the label, with exceptions (in my experience) being extremely rare.
I’m not calling Obama a saint, I’m just saying he didn’t preach hatred like Republicans love to do. His drone strikes, his failure to close Guantanamo, his betrayal of whistleblowers, deportations, were absolutely not good. Personally I think a big part of it was his eagerness to compromise with Republicans. But even if it was all him, I’d say there’s still a massive difference between him and any recent Republican president.
But you can have Obama if you want. It’s not about him, my point is that good Christians do exist even in the US. They just don’t make the most political noise. Jimmy Carter, MLK, plenty of unknown Christian activists who fight for justice in many ways. Maybe they are a minority, but at least some exist.
My point is that Christians don’t get to enjoy an assumption that they don’t wish for the suffering of others.
There’s a kernel of hatred at the core of the religion, by way of “source of all moral truth also insists that some people will be sentenced to extreme suffering for not believing the same”.
In my experience, and unsurprising given the discrimination at the very core of the belief system - the vast majority of Christians (American ones, regardless of political persuasion or even voting record) are more than happy to let that seed grow and express itself in various ways.
Your point seems to have ended with “one group of those are very vocal about that hatred” and also “there are some good Christians”.
Okay.
Those are weak uninteresting points. They certainly don’t justify any assumption of Christian good will. Much like any assumption of some kind of “benevolent imperialism” by the cultural “West” is thoroughly behind us today, so is any such assumption. Christians have had ample time to emphasize what matters about their Christianness and they have done so. The evidence speaks for itself.
I’m glad there are good Christians out there and I’ve even met a few of them but it’s the exception for sure. A good Christian is good despite their religion not because of it. When you tell someone from the age of 2 onward that they are a terrible person and can never be good no matter what they do they tend to believe it. Teaching original sin to toddlers is child abuse. It then creates a ton of cognitive dissonance because none of it actually makes sense but there is immense pressure to fit into the group. Most Christians end up knowing it’s wrong but have to believe it’s right which creates psychosis.
At its most basic, religion is a tool for getting people from a very young age to believe anything they’re told without question. This is what they call faith. It’s a complete bastardization of the word and the concept of faith. Faith should mean trusting someone because they’ve proved their character through actions. To Christians faith means you must believe whatever you’re told as long as it was interpreted from the Bible or said by an approved source of leadership like a pastor or, lately, a politician who says they’re religious.
I’m glad you can see that Trump is an imposter. You have to justify your worldview by saying that you don’t believe literal interpretations of the Bible though. It’s a big problem and you really can’t blame the majority of Christians who have become evil by reading a book that they’ve been told is the word of God and then applying what it says to their entire identity. There’s good stuff in the Bible for sure but why do we need a book that has so much bad in it as well. It’s impossible to parse and interpret for most people.
I’m not here to defend Christianity, and certainly not all the terrible things that have been done in the name of Christianity. People have used Christianity to justify terrible things. But people have also used other ideas and -isms to justify terrible things. It’s not just Christianity, and not just religion. Look at capitalism, communism, nationalism, etc.
When you tell someone from the age of 2 onward that they are a terrible person and can never be good no matter what they do they tend to believe it. Teaching original sin to toddlers is child abuse.
Yeah, don’t do that. No Christian I know does that. It’s a weird, cultish thing that you sometimes see in ultraconservative circles, but not universal. I don’t think they are the majority, but they do seem to be the nost vocal.
Biblical Literalism is a fairly recent heresy. In the past, multiple levels of interpretation of the bible were recognised, of which the literal one was often considered the least important. Treating the bible as purely literal does no justice to the underlying meaning or the context in which it was written.
Not to mention that biblical literalists often tend to ignore the most important parts. Like the words of Jesus.
I don’t understand then. Original sin is a primary tenant of Christianity. Christianity cannot exist without it. Otherwise what is Jesus saving you from? You have to deserve hell so that you can be saved.
If you don’t believe this and force it onto your children then are you even a Christian? Why wouldn’t you want to completely brain wash your children to keep them out of hell? This is not some fringe thing. It’s unavoidable and necessary to justify the Christian religion’s existence. When I grew up in the church no one told me word for word, “you’re a terrible person and you can never be good”. They just taught me the Bible and the Bible is very clear on this.
And don’t worry I’m not only attacking Christianity. Religion is easily the most harmful human invention. It has caused more suffering than anything else. Capitalism, communism, nationalism, etc are all bad but it’s not even close. Let’s eliminate religion first and then move on to the next most harmful thing.
Original sin does not require telling a 2 year old that they’re a terrible person. Quite the opposite: Christians tell their kids that God loves them. But that we are sinners is hard to deny when you look at the state of the world. And even the best of us fall short of what Jesus expects from us, but we should try anyway. To love our neighbour, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, welcome the foreigner, and even love our enemy. Nobody does all of that to the level that we should, but we should try anyway.
But clearly there are people with a more negative approach to this. I think they’re a bit too eager to prove their own point of being terrible people. We should strive to be good instead.
You just said it though. God loves you but you’re a sinner. Implied that god’s love will torture you for eternity because of your sin unless you follow the rules. Fear and love are not the same thing. Teaching anyone, especially children, that someone/something will hurt you because they love you is textbook abuse grooming. There is no way around it and you just proved it.
Yeah, that would be terrible. Fortunately that’s not how it works. It’s not about following the rules, it’s about accepting God’s grace, and about trying to do good. Salvation is not something we earn, it’s something we receive. The way it was taught to me is that all we have to do is to accept it.
Of course we should also do good. Not to earn salvation, but simply because it’s good. Although there’s also Matthew 25 that suggests strongly that if you’re there for people in need, you will be saved even if you’re not aware of God, and if you’re not, you won’t, even if you are. That sounds contradictory, but the idea is that if you accept Jesus, you accept other people, and if you reject other people, you also reject Jesus.
But Christianity is not as rules-based as Islam or Judaism (although I suspect that also varies by interpretation).
The obsession with torture is more a medieval holdover as far as I can tell, and not something any Christian I know obsesses over.
I’m really glad you’re picking and choosing the good parts of the Bible even if you’re in the minority. However, if you want to talk about Matthew 25 he describes hell multiple times and describes it as Eternal torture, ETERNAL fire, weeping, gnashing of teeth etc. That’s torture forever.
For eternity. Let’s take an example of a very bad person, Adolf Hitler. He was really bad. Let’s say he went to hell for being really bad. According to you, he may have accepted god’s grace and gotten into heaven but let’s say he didn’t. Does he deserve eternal torture? According to the Bible, your vengeful God very much wants to torture bad people at let’s say I agree with that. I could agree that Hitler should be tortured for 100 years, maybe you think 100,000 years is not appropriate, but even for Hitler eternity feels very excessive to me. After a certain amount of time he would not even remember what he’s being tortured for. At least let him go into the nothingness of the void at some point.
So based on Matthew 25, your example, and the thought experiment above you have a few choices.
The Bible is not the word of God and therefore can be thrown out. This is a great one because you can still be a good person but you don’t have to go through all of the mental gymnastics you’re going through to try and justify all the terribly evil things in there.
You are a blasphemer who is actively lying to people about your holy text in order to convince them, or maybe yourself, that parts of it do not exist or can be interpreted as the exact opposite of what it says.
You truly believe that someone, no matter how bad, deserves eternal torment. To be tortured forever. In that case I can confidently say that your morals are bankrupt and we can stop this conversation immediately because your moral foundation is completely flawed. Also important to point out that that foundation is a direct result of your religion and you could be much better without it. The world would be better without it as well.
Last choice is God works in mysterious ways so even though none of this looks good at all you can just continue on with your fingers in your ears and say that it’s not the religion’s problem, it’s just some people. There’s that toxic version of faith where you get to do whatever you want no matter how incongruent and even with the best intentions it causes cognitive dissonance and psychosis. This is what happens with the vast majority of religious people no matter which one it is. It’s the reason religion is innately harmful and should be abolished.
Just to be clear. This is what Christians want. They want the world to end and they want everyone but them to suffer for eternity so they can feel smug. It’s all made up fairy tales but it’s what they want.
This is what a subset of Christians want.
Only most of them
Honestly, I think most of them were just indoctrinated and never actually thought that deep into it.
100%
Source?
Yep, the Bible
So no source, got it. The Bible doesn’t say Christians want the world to end so that everyone else suffers.
You should try reading it.
Matthew 25 comes to mind
That’s the problem that non-Christians don’t understand. We think they’ll be afraid of the Anti-Christ, and do anything they can to avoid him, but they don’t see it that way.
Their ultimate objective is to get to heaven, and hang with God and Jesus (yeah, right, like they’ve been waiting throughout the history of mankind, just waiting for YOU to show up and brighten their day), and to do that, they have to go through the Rapture, and the Anti-Christ is what kicks that off.
So while it might be a bit inconvenient for a time, it will be worth it to get Raptured, and leave all the Atheists and bad Christians behind to suffer whatever torment they are fantasizing about.
So they welcome the Anti-Christ, the fucking weirdos.
I will also point out that the idea of a pre-tribulation Rapture is not biblically well-supported, and was pretty much made up out of whole cloth by dispensationalists in England as a way to make the idea of a doctrine focused on Revelation more palatable (“see, you’ll be taken to heaven in secret one day before all this happens”). It’s taken a LOT more root in America than it did in Europe, to the point that it’s mainstream doctrine among a lot of churches (thanks Tim LaHaye and Jerry B Jenkins for doing that, you weird fucks).
No I don’t. I don’t want the world to end, and I certainly don’t want anyone to suffer. Most Christians don’t. The fact that these sickos do, should be a glaring sign that they’re not following Christ. In fact, I’ve heard of supposedly “Christian” MAGAts complaining to their pastor after a sermon that that shit is too liberal, too woke, and doesn’t work. These conservatives preach the polar opposite of what Jesus taught.
If you want the biblical view on this, here’s what Thessalonians 2 has to say about this (just came across this on Mastodon):
“Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”
If I read that, I have to admit that does sound surprisingly like Trump. But he’s not on the side of God.
There’s more stuff about blaspheming and being believed despite his many lies in other books.
I don’t actually believe in the literal interpretation of such end time prophesies, and I certainly don’t see Trump as some diabolical entity, but he is by far the closest match to it that I’ve ever seen.
Y’all don’t get the benefit of us assuming most of you are decent. In fact I tend to assume the opposite, based on mountains of historical evidence and personal observations.
There might be some decent folks among you, but the idea that Christians as a whole don’t actively wish for the suffering of others (whether they frame it that way to themselves or not) is a laughable premise.
[Edit to add: there’s a simple causal relationship at root here, too - damn near every truly decent Christian person I’ve ever known, the more they learn about their religion and how it behaves in the world - the less Christian they get. The ones who remain as they mature - again in my experience - either deliberately have their heads in the sand, or have moral values that stand in opposition to the exact virtues espoused by Christ]
I can’t blame you for thinking that. There are absolutely terrible people who love nothing more than to use Christianity to justify their evil. And I can point out how what they do is the exact opposite of what Jesus said, but they ignore it or shout it down.
That doesn’t mean there aren’t also lots of Christians who do try to follow Jesus’s words. At the moment, for example, the Dutch parliament is considering a law that would make it illegal to help undocumented immigrants (whether asylum seekers or otherwise). A lot of churches are protesting that, because that’s one of the core things that churches have always been involved in: helping people in need, including undocumented immigrants.
The irony that this law is proposed by conservative parties that love to lay claim to the Christian identity is not lost on me, but it should be clear to anyone with the slightest knowledge about the bible which side is actually trying to do what Jesus asks of us.
I guess I should say my perspective above is kind of exclusively an American-centric one for the topic. I don’t know much about rank and file European Christians. Among American Christians there is a real hatred of “the other” at their core. Not everyone, but probably a significant majority.
I’m not American, but as far as I can tell, it’s also not universal among American Christians. Obama is not like that at all, and he’s a Christian. (And from my perspective, he’s a lot more Christian than any Republican.) It’s not even true for all Evangelicals, because Jimmy Carter was evangelical.
It’s just that Republicans try to paint the image that to be a Christian, you have to be a self-righteous hypocritical bigot, and too many people are buying into that narrative. Please don’t.
Sorry, this I thoroughly disagree with and know quite a bit about. There is a deep hatred at the core of American Christianity. And no, Obama does not count as a “good” one, his administration took countless deliberate actions against those less fortunate that would’ve made “Jesus” fly into a rage like the money-changers incident. You can’t be serious. Drone strikes on innocent civilians? Deporting people seeking a better life for themselves and their family? How about Guantanamo, real Christian stuff going on there? Closing that was a direct campaign promise.
This is the kind of stuff I mean, I don’t think you have a very accurate view at all. Again, all the truly loving and caring Christians I meet become less “Christian” over time. It’s just the ones who can tolerate the ugliness that retain the label, with exceptions (in my experience) being extremely rare.
I’m not calling Obama a saint, I’m just saying he didn’t preach hatred like Republicans love to do. His drone strikes, his failure to close Guantanamo, his betrayal of whistleblowers, deportations, were absolutely not good. Personally I think a big part of it was his eagerness to compromise with Republicans. But even if it was all him, I’d say there’s still a massive difference between him and any recent Republican president.
But you can have Obama if you want. It’s not about him, my point is that good Christians do exist even in the US. They just don’t make the most political noise. Jimmy Carter, MLK, plenty of unknown Christian activists who fight for justice in many ways. Maybe they are a minority, but at least some exist.
My point is that Christians don’t get to enjoy an assumption that they don’t wish for the suffering of others.
There’s a kernel of hatred at the core of the religion, by way of “source of all moral truth also insists that some people will be sentenced to extreme suffering for not believing the same”.
In my experience, and unsurprising given the discrimination at the very core of the belief system - the vast majority of Christians (American ones, regardless of political persuasion or even voting record) are more than happy to let that seed grow and express itself in various ways.
Your point seems to have ended with “one group of those are very vocal about that hatred” and also “there are some good Christians”.
Okay.
Those are weak uninteresting points. They certainly don’t justify any assumption of Christian good will. Much like any assumption of some kind of “benevolent imperialism” by the cultural “West” is thoroughly behind us today, so is any such assumption. Christians have had ample time to emphasize what matters about their Christianness and they have done so. The evidence speaks for itself.
I’m glad there are good Christians out there and I’ve even met a few of them but it’s the exception for sure. A good Christian is good despite their religion not because of it. When you tell someone from the age of 2 onward that they are a terrible person and can never be good no matter what they do they tend to believe it. Teaching original sin to toddlers is child abuse. It then creates a ton of cognitive dissonance because none of it actually makes sense but there is immense pressure to fit into the group. Most Christians end up knowing it’s wrong but have to believe it’s right which creates psychosis.
At its most basic, religion is a tool for getting people from a very young age to believe anything they’re told without question. This is what they call faith. It’s a complete bastardization of the word and the concept of faith. Faith should mean trusting someone because they’ve proved their character through actions. To Christians faith means you must believe whatever you’re told as long as it was interpreted from the Bible or said by an approved source of leadership like a pastor or, lately, a politician who says they’re religious.
I’m glad you can see that Trump is an imposter. You have to justify your worldview by saying that you don’t believe literal interpretations of the Bible though. It’s a big problem and you really can’t blame the majority of Christians who have become evil by reading a book that they’ve been told is the word of God and then applying what it says to their entire identity. There’s good stuff in the Bible for sure but why do we need a book that has so much bad in it as well. It’s impossible to parse and interpret for most people.
I’m not here to defend Christianity, and certainly not all the terrible things that have been done in the name of Christianity. People have used Christianity to justify terrible things. But people have also used other ideas and -isms to justify terrible things. It’s not just Christianity, and not just religion. Look at capitalism, communism, nationalism, etc.
Yeah, don’t do that. No Christian I know does that. It’s a weird, cultish thing that you sometimes see in ultraconservative circles, but not universal. I don’t think they are the majority, but they do seem to be the nost vocal.
Biblical Literalism is a fairly recent heresy. In the past, multiple levels of interpretation of the bible were recognised, of which the literal one was often considered the least important. Treating the bible as purely literal does no justice to the underlying meaning or the context in which it was written.
Not to mention that biblical literalists often tend to ignore the most important parts. Like the words of Jesus.
I don’t understand then. Original sin is a primary tenant of Christianity. Christianity cannot exist without it. Otherwise what is Jesus saving you from? You have to deserve hell so that you can be saved.
If you don’t believe this and force it onto your children then are you even a Christian? Why wouldn’t you want to completely brain wash your children to keep them out of hell? This is not some fringe thing. It’s unavoidable and necessary to justify the Christian religion’s existence. When I grew up in the church no one told me word for word, “you’re a terrible person and you can never be good”. They just taught me the Bible and the Bible is very clear on this.
And don’t worry I’m not only attacking Christianity. Religion is easily the most harmful human invention. It has caused more suffering than anything else. Capitalism, communism, nationalism, etc are all bad but it’s not even close. Let’s eliminate religion first and then move on to the next most harmful thing.
Original sin does not require telling a 2 year old that they’re a terrible person. Quite the opposite: Christians tell their kids that God loves them. But that we are sinners is hard to deny when you look at the state of the world. And even the best of us fall short of what Jesus expects from us, but we should try anyway. To love our neighbour, feed the hungry, shelter the homeless, welcome the foreigner, and even love our enemy. Nobody does all of that to the level that we should, but we should try anyway.
But clearly there are people with a more negative approach to this. I think they’re a bit too eager to prove their own point of being terrible people. We should strive to be good instead.
You just said it though. God loves you but you’re a sinner. Implied that god’s love will torture you for eternity because of your sin unless you follow the rules. Fear and love are not the same thing. Teaching anyone, especially children, that someone/something will hurt you because they love you is textbook abuse grooming. There is no way around it and you just proved it.
Yeah, that would be terrible. Fortunately that’s not how it works. It’s not about following the rules, it’s about accepting God’s grace, and about trying to do good. Salvation is not something we earn, it’s something we receive. The way it was taught to me is that all we have to do is to accept it.
Of course we should also do good. Not to earn salvation, but simply because it’s good. Although there’s also Matthew 25 that suggests strongly that if you’re there for people in need, you will be saved even if you’re not aware of God, and if you’re not, you won’t, even if you are. That sounds contradictory, but the idea is that if you accept Jesus, you accept other people, and if you reject other people, you also reject Jesus.
But Christianity is not as rules-based as Islam or Judaism (although I suspect that also varies by interpretation).
The obsession with torture is more a medieval holdover as far as I can tell, and not something any Christian I know obsesses over.
I’m really glad you’re picking and choosing the good parts of the Bible even if you’re in the minority. However, if you want to talk about Matthew 25 he describes hell multiple times and describes it as Eternal torture, ETERNAL fire, weeping, gnashing of teeth etc. That’s torture forever.
For eternity. Let’s take an example of a very bad person, Adolf Hitler. He was really bad. Let’s say he went to hell for being really bad. According to you, he may have accepted god’s grace and gotten into heaven but let’s say he didn’t. Does he deserve eternal torture? According to the Bible, your vengeful God very much wants to torture bad people at let’s say I agree with that. I could agree that Hitler should be tortured for 100 years, maybe you think 100,000 years is not appropriate, but even for Hitler eternity feels very excessive to me. After a certain amount of time he would not even remember what he’s being tortured for. At least let him go into the nothingness of the void at some point.
So based on Matthew 25, your example, and the thought experiment above you have a few choices.
The Bible is not the word of God and therefore can be thrown out. This is a great one because you can still be a good person but you don’t have to go through all of the mental gymnastics you’re going through to try and justify all the terribly evil things in there.
You are a blasphemer who is actively lying to people about your holy text in order to convince them, or maybe yourself, that parts of it do not exist or can be interpreted as the exact opposite of what it says.
You truly believe that someone, no matter how bad, deserves eternal torment. To be tortured forever. In that case I can confidently say that your morals are bankrupt and we can stop this conversation immediately because your moral foundation is completely flawed. Also important to point out that that foundation is a direct result of your religion and you could be much better without it. The world would be better without it as well.
Last choice is God works in mysterious ways so even though none of this looks good at all you can just continue on with your fingers in your ears and say that it’s not the religion’s problem, it’s just some people. There’s that toxic version of faith where you get to do whatever you want no matter how incongruent and even with the best intentions it causes cognitive dissonance and psychosis. This is what happens with the vast majority of religious people no matter which one it is. It’s the reason religion is innately harmful and should be abolished.