we can do socialism using a bottom-up, direct democratic, consensus based decision making approach,
OK and what if that approach doesn’t lead to socialism? What you are describing is a change to how democracy works, why would that automatically lead to socialism, and be better than what we have in Scandinavian countries? And exactly what kind of socialism would it lead to?
You are talking like a Russian agent trying to sow discourse. What you suggest has no evidence of working. Social democracy does.
Also a consensus among just a few thousand people is impossible, Denmark that is one of the best democracies in the world, and we have 12 parties represented in parliament. How would you run a country based on a principle that wouldn’t even work for a small city?
Socialism is, by definition, social ownership of the means of production. That means instead of wealthy private individuals owning, for example, factories and hotels, the factories and the hotels are instead collectively owned and controlled - perhaps by everyone in society, perhaps by those who work there.
You are asking me, how would socialism lead to socialism.
why would that automatically lead to socialism, and be better than what we have in Scandinavian countries?
No bosses. No exploitation for profit. No pedophile billionaires fucking everyone over. Equality for all. No wage slavery. Unpleasant working conditions would be minimized. Democratization of the workplace.
And exactly what kind of socialism would it lead to?
It’s really important to emphasize that anarchism isn’t some blueprint for a society that we follow by rote and dogmatically implement, but rather a base layer of ideas we can use. As per an anarchist FAQ
Anarchists have always been reticent about spelling out their vision of the future in too much detail for it would be contrary to anarchist principles to be dogmatic about the precise forms the new society must take. Free people will create their own alternative institutions in response to conditions specific to their area as well as their needs, desires and hopes and it would be presumptuous of us to attempt to set forth universal policies in advance.
You are talking like a Russian agent trying to sow discourse.
Uhm… Russia isn’t socialist, mate. They’re very, very capitalist. Discourse is good. You might be thinking of discord. I’m just a gay autistic furry trying to make the world a better place.
What you suggest has no evidence of working.
That’s actually not true at all, neither historically nor in the present. The Zapatista movement is an example of an anarchist society with hundreds of thousands of individuals living under it, in Mexico. For a historical example, you might be interested to read about revolutionary Spain.
How would you run a country based on a principle that wouldn’t even work for a small city?
There are lots and lots of examples of this working in practice! I mentioned two above, but an anarchist FAQ has lots more answers for you.
OK and what if that approach doesn’t lead to socialism? What you are describing is a change to how democracy works, why would that automatically lead to socialism, and be better than what we have in Scandinavian countries? And exactly what kind of socialism would it lead to?
You are talking like a Russian agent trying to sow discourse. What you suggest has no evidence of working. Social democracy does.
Also a consensus among just a few thousand people is impossible, Denmark that is one of the best democracies in the world, and we have 12 parties represented in parliament. How would you run a country based on a principle that wouldn’t even work for a small city?
Socialism is, by definition, social ownership of the means of production. That means instead of wealthy private individuals owning, for example, factories and hotels, the factories and the hotels are instead collectively owned and controlled - perhaps by everyone in society, perhaps by those who work there.
You are asking me, how would socialism lead to socialism.
No bosses. No exploitation for profit. No pedophile billionaires fucking everyone over. Equality for all. No wage slavery. Unpleasant working conditions would be minimized. Democratization of the workplace.
It’s really important to emphasize that anarchism isn’t some blueprint for a society that we follow by rote and dogmatically implement, but rather a base layer of ideas we can use. As per an anarchist FAQ
Uhm… Russia isn’t socialist, mate. They’re very, very capitalist. Discourse is good. You might be thinking of discord. I’m just a gay autistic furry trying to make the world a better place.
That’s actually not true at all, neither historically nor in the present. The Zapatista movement is an example of an anarchist society with hundreds of thousands of individuals living under it, in Mexico. For a historical example, you might be interested to read about revolutionary Spain.
There are lots and lots of examples of this working in practice! I mentioned two above, but an anarchist FAQ has lots more answers for you.