“Hey girls, I know mum died, but I’m going to risk my life flying a rocket to the moon so there’s a significant chance I won’t make it back and you two will have to figure shit out on your own. Bye, daddy’s gotta go, if I make it there I’ll name something after you or something. I left some cash on the table, don’t spend it all on pizza or meth, see ya! Well, maybe hahaha”
But also…look what Murph ended up doing for earth in that scenario. Maybe we should off this astronaut and watch what the daughter s do with that traumatizing event.
Somehow it’s heroic to abandon your kids who you raise on your own after their mother died to strap your ass on a big ass bomb, to go to a giant rock we already found to be inhospitable and useless 50 years ago. But thanks to the dick measuring contest between billionaires and dictators these days who sell their dumb ideas with fancy CGI promo videos which are total bullshit, we’re doing it all over again. It costs billions, while people can’t pay their rent, food, medical bills.
So I get the downvotes if you’re an American patriot who jerks off to the flag every day, because Americans don’t seem to care about child welfare with all those school shootings and known pedophiles voted Into office. Otherwise it’s just dumb to think this guy is somehow a hero for risking his kids losing both parents. Or that the crater thing makes up for it.
On the surface, I agree with you. As a parent myself, I would never go to the moon on a test flight like this.
As an American, though, I’d like to take a moment to politely tell you to go fuck yourself.
Wait! Let me explain. You have very good English, which suggests you’re probably from a well-developed country where English is a primary language. The level of hostility in your tone makes it unlikely you’re from a developing country. And even if you were, that wouldn’t put you in a better position to criticize.
If you are from a well-developed country, that means you have your own problems, don’t you?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
If you don’t like America, then get off Lemmy. Because guess what? Lemmy was largely developed by an American. Yes, I know it involved collaboration with developers from other countries, but the primary origin is still American.
Ignoring all your weird patronization of the global south…
If you don’t like America, then get off Lemmy. Because guess what? Lemmy was largely developed by an American. Yes, I know it involved collaboration with developers from other countries, but the primary origin is still American.
No idea if the main developer, comrade dessalines, is American, but they have a Che Guevara profile pic.
“If there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America. They don’t care for human beings.” - Nelson Mandela
Two of the other original devs are Nutomic and SleeplessOne1917. Nutomic has a Fidel Castro pfp, and SleeplessOne1917 uses the year of the October revolution in their username. Safe to say the devs of Lemmy do not like America. They also admin lemmygrad.ml
Might want to check your assumptions (and western chauvinism)
If you don’t like America, then get off Lemmy. Because guess what? Lemmy was largely developed by an American based communist revolutionaries. Yes, I know it involved collaboration with developers from other countries the great satan, but the primary origin is still American Marxist-Leninist.
I couldn’t care less where the other devs are from or their ideological/political associations. All of that is entirely irrelevant.
What is relevant however is exactly what you didn’t want to talk about. For example, what country you’re from. Which tells me pretty much everything I need to know. Just put a sock in your mouth and shut up.
You didn’t even notice that was someone else replying to you. Also most Lemmy instances are hosted in Europe. So if you prefer a mostly American platform, go to reddit or X. Also, Lemmy is generally political left, including far left. And by left I don’t mean American left, because what you consider left politically is considered right by the rest of the world where as your right is to the rest alt right or right wing extremism, going as far as fascism.
The fact that I’m anti American is because of all the wars they started, the warcrimes and crimes against humanity they committed and are still committing, the insane level of self centeredness and narcissistic behavior by most Americans and maybe the fact they started World War 3 because they voted a known criminal and child sex abusing dictator into office for a second time. While it’s own people are starving and dying of gun violence, including by federal agents, and easy but too expensive treatments for illnesses, while having barely any rights causing them to become homeless, easily fired or paid far under minimum wage which already is way too low for current living standards.
But before the whole Trump thing, most of the world already hated the US. For most it was like “better try to keep them as friends rather than enemies” but no one liked those warmongering dumbfucks who only care about themselves. And for good reason, look what it brought us all.
So if you’re American I can understand that the welfare of your kid(s) isn’t the highest priority and a trip to the moon might be cooler than raising them (like like owning guns is cooler than removing the risk of your kid being shot and killed at school).
I don’t have kids, but if I did I wouldn’t take risks like this, especially not when they already lost their mother. The foster care system is fucked, almost everywhere. Especially in the US. If I were to have kids, I would take my responsibility as a father.
Then there’s still the thing about where I’m from. I don’t see how that is relevant. But you assume all primary English speaking countries are developed, yet there are also third world countries where english is one of their main, or it’s only language. Like the US (now legally it’s only language thanks to Trump), Botswana, Liberia, Nigeria, etc. And yes, with the current wealth inequality, corruption, general survival chance and general quality of life of the average US population, it also classifies as a third world country. I mean, they still have legal slavery. But you’re not the only American assuming all English speaking countries are developed.
I am from a developed country and we do have issues, as every country does. Non of our national issues come even close to the issues the US has, or the US is causing to us. And English isn’t one of our primary languages, our official languages are Dutch and Frisian but we are educated, as contrary to the US, attending school is mandatory by law. I’ve had English, German and French in school for 13 years next to Dutch. Currently I’m learning Norwegian as my partner is from there. But foreign languages are hard for me, I’m a beta person so I’m excelling in math and science. I’m also dyslexic so I keep making mistakes.
But we’re moving away from the main subject here. You agree with me you won’t risk your kids losing their farther by doing this. But then you say I can go fuck myself because you’re American. Why though, I don’t understand. Because you’re proud the US is going back to the moon? You know your tax money is paying for this bullshit right?
There’s a reason we didn’t go back there for 50 years.
Whatever we can achieve on the moon like farming water ice can be done better with robots, either autonomous or remote controlled (because the moon distance has barely any latency), as the entire infrastructure for humans is overly complex, expensive and dangerous and causes the eventual process to include the human error factor. But rationality is gone when corporate/billionaire/dictator greed comes into the equation.
As an American
Are you aware that every non-US American immediately rolls their eyes and won’t take anything else coming out of your mouth serious, when you say something like that?
If you don’t like America, then get off Lemmy. Because guess what? Lemmy was largely developed by an American.
Stock exchange was invented by the Dutch. If you don’t like the Dutch, would you sell all your stocks if you had them? What a bullshit argument. “Oh I don’t want that medication because it was invented by a French person”. Grow up. Your entire country is based on European countries, it’s heritage, culture and inventions, and exists mainly due to genocide of the native Americans and slavery which boosted its economy.
You do realize that multiple other genocides have happened since the American massacre of Native Americans?
There isn’t a single country on this planet that doesn’t have black smears all over its history.
And if a country’s history isn’t quite as bad as America’s, its people are just as shitty as they are everywhere else.
Humans are terrible, vile, disgusting creatures that trample over everything they touch.
It’s easy to blame America, and as much as I truly dislike our government and our current president, I still love my country, its people, and living here.
Moreover, I couldn’t care less how much credibility I have in the comment section of a Lemmy post.
If you think you can stand on your laurels because you’re not American, once again, you can quietly go fuck yourself.
And the beautiful thing is, as an American, I get to say that to whoever the hell I want.
You do realize that multiple other genocides have happened since the American massacre of Native Americans?
Yeah I do. Like the one in Palestine right now, which is supported by the US. Your tax money is used to kill innocent people, including thousands of children.
There isn’t a single country on this planet that doesn’t have black smears all over its history.
Can you support your claim? What are the black smears in the history of Greenland? Or Iceland? Other than US involvement or initiation, because the US did build a nuclear missile silo in the ice on Greenland.
And if a country’s history isn’t quite as bad as America’s, its people are just as shitty as they are everywhere else. Humans are terrible, vile, disgusting creatures that trample over everything they touch.
Again, can you support your claim? How much countries have you visited? Ever been to Cambodia or Philippines for example? The people there are extremily nice and totally not selfish and narcissistic.
The way you grow up, the location, it’s culture, regulations, wealth, etc. have a large influence on how people become. When you grow up in a fascist state where education is optional, religion is central and politicians constantly spread fear, the chance of becoming an asshole yourself are significantly higher than when you grow up is a safe and healthy environment with proper education.
I still love my country
Why though, we just talked about dark smeres in the history of countries yet the US is still doing it, for 250 years already and doesn’t seem to stop any time soon. But let’s forget history for a moment. Let’s look at what the US is today: Slavery, corruption, war crimes, crimes against humanity, broken judicial system, corrupt voting system, extreme wealth inequality, insane amounts of suffering on so many levels for most of your fellow countrymen. Your president is a known criminal, child sex offender, and behaves like a toddler version of Hitler. Your country bombed 5 countries this year, that we know of. Kidnapped a president, caused a global oil crisis.
Please, tell me, what is there to love?
And the beautiful thing is, as an American, I get to say that to whoever the hell I want.
Also at a cop? ICE agents? A mad neighbor with a gun? I mean, yeah, sure you can say it, but anyone all over the world can say it. It’s just that for some people there are more consequences than for others. And when it comes to freedom of press, the US isn’t doing great. At least far worse than my country. On the world press freedom ranking the US ranks number 57 in 2025, between Sierra Leone and Gambia.
you can quietly go fuck yourself.
Right back at ya man. I find your responses highly ignorant. How much do you actually know of the world, how much have you seen, really? I have traveled to most continents, been to war zones, to enriched oil states, to poor heavily underdeveloped countries, countries in isolation, seen the most horrific and most beautiful things, met amazing and awful people. How wide is your sphere of influence?
We have absolutely no context on his personal life, just a couple news stories. Is he a bad parent because this is risky? Or a good parent because he’s being a role model for courage, or achieving your dreams, or something else.
We don’t know what the children value. We don’t know what kinds of talks they have had. I have no idea if his children asked him to not do it, or if they want him to fly around the moon. We don’t know what the contingency plan is if there’s an accident. I just don’t feel I know enough about their situation to say if he’s a bad parent or a good one.
I don’t even know how old his children are, I’m going to assume teens because he’s 50. Late teens early 20s is also possible. Either way old enough to have input and mature conversations.
Are you saying that he can’t have a conversation? If both his kids agree that he should go to the moon and he wants to go to the moon. He would still be a bad dad for going to the moon? I’m super confused by that line of logic.
You seem to be missing the point. I don’t know if you have children, and I’m not trying to fall back on the cliché that you “just wouldn’t understand,” but the broader discussion is irrelevant.
The situation is straightforward: he had no right to take that level of risk. There was a real possibility he could have died and left his children behind. That risk is excessive, regardless of the mission’s importance or exclusivity.
Maybe I will use the cliché after all, because as a parent, what my children might have wanted wouldn’t factor into the decision. I wouldn’t have gone.
I think people can value different things. Because you value things that are different from someone else doesn’t make them wrong. You can say that the perceived and actual risk are two high for me to take the chance. But it feels like you’re not respecting the autonomy of the children or the astronaut.
I also don’t understand what you mean by “no right to make that decision”. It sounds like you mean, parents are never justified in taking risks that involve the potential for death, even if their family is on board.
So I asked my parents about this since it’s only been like 10 years since they’ve been 50. My mother said that if it’s her job and she’s been involved in this for a long time she would go. And that she would just have a conversation with her children. She also said it would be way better than joining the military or being a black hawk pilot. My dad would be super on board to go to the moon.
I also don’t understand what you mean by “no right to make that decision”. It sounds like you mean, parents are never justified in taking risks that involve the potential for death, even if their family is on board.
That’s exactly what I’m saying and I’m not sure how to get this across to you.
Can you blame uneducated brainwashed narcissistic fascists? Their feelings got hurt. Downvoting is the patriotic thing to do, some even go as far as a dillusional rant as a comment.
“Hey girls, I know mum died, but I’m going to risk my life flying a rocket to the moon so there’s a significant chance I won’t make it back and you two will have to figure shit out on your own. Bye, daddy’s gotta go, if I make it there I’ll name something after you or something. I left some cash on the table, don’t spend it all on pizza or meth, see ya! Well, maybe hahaha”
Don’t let me go Murph, DON’T LET ME GOOOOO!!!
But also…look what Murph ended up doing for earth in that scenario. Maybe we should off this astronaut and watch what the daughter s do with that traumatizing event.
I get why you’re being downvoted, but there’s definitely a wee bit of truth in there…
Interstellar vibes
Somehow it’s heroic to abandon your kids who you raise on your own after their mother died to strap your ass on a big ass bomb, to go to a giant rock we already found to be inhospitable and useless 50 years ago. But thanks to the dick measuring contest between billionaires and dictators these days who sell their dumb ideas with fancy CGI promo videos which are total bullshit, we’re doing it all over again. It costs billions, while people can’t pay their rent, food, medical bills.
So I get the downvotes if you’re an American patriot who jerks off to the flag every day, because Americans don’t seem to care about child welfare with all those school shootings and known pedophiles voted Into office. Otherwise it’s just dumb to think this guy is somehow a hero for risking his kids losing both parents. Or that the crater thing makes up for it.
On the surface, I agree with you. As a parent myself, I would never go to the moon on a test flight like this.
As an American, though, I’d like to take a moment to politely tell you to go fuck yourself.
Wait! Let me explain. You have very good English, which suggests you’re probably from a well-developed country where English is a primary language. The level of hostility in your tone makes it unlikely you’re from a developing country. And even if you were, that wouldn’t put you in a better position to criticize.
If you are from a well-developed country, that means you have your own problems, don’t you?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
If you don’t like America, then get off Lemmy. Because guess what? Lemmy was largely developed by an American. Yes, I know it involved collaboration with developers from other countries, but the primary origin is still American.
Ignoring all your weird patronization of the global south…
No idea if the main developer, comrade dessalines, is American, but they have a Che Guevara profile pic.
Here’s a snippet from the US atrocities section of their essays repo:
Two of the other original devs are Nutomic and SleeplessOne1917. Nutomic has a Fidel Castro pfp, and SleeplessOne1917 uses the year of the October revolution in their username. Safe to say the devs of Lemmy do not like America. They also admin lemmygrad.ml
Might want to check your assumptions (and western chauvinism)
FTFY!
I couldn’t care less where the other devs are from or their ideological/political associations. All of that is entirely irrelevant.
What is relevant however is exactly what you didn’t want to talk about. For example, what country you’re from. Which tells me pretty much everything I need to know. Just put a sock in your mouth and shut up.
Also not taking the bullshit communist bait.
You didn’t even notice that was someone else replying to you. Also most Lemmy instances are hosted in Europe. So if you prefer a mostly American platform, go to reddit or X. Also, Lemmy is generally political left, including far left. And by left I don’t mean American left, because what you consider left politically is considered right by the rest of the world where as your right is to the rest alt right or right wing extremism, going as far as fascism.
The fact that I’m anti American is because of all the wars they started, the warcrimes and crimes against humanity they committed and are still committing, the insane level of self centeredness and narcissistic behavior by most Americans and maybe the fact they started World War 3 because they voted a known criminal and child sex abusing dictator into office for a second time. While it’s own people are starving and dying of gun violence, including by federal agents, and easy but too expensive treatments for illnesses, while having barely any rights causing them to become homeless, easily fired or paid far under minimum wage which already is way too low for current living standards.
But before the whole Trump thing, most of the world already hated the US. For most it was like “better try to keep them as friends rather than enemies” but no one liked those warmongering dumbfucks who only care about themselves. And for good reason, look what it brought us all.
So if you’re American I can understand that the welfare of your kid(s) isn’t the highest priority and a trip to the moon might be cooler than raising them (like like owning guns is cooler than removing the risk of your kid being shot and killed at school).
I don’t have kids, but if I did I wouldn’t take risks like this, especially not when they already lost their mother. The foster care system is fucked, almost everywhere. Especially in the US. If I were to have kids, I would take my responsibility as a father.
Then there’s still the thing about where I’m from. I don’t see how that is relevant. But you assume all primary English speaking countries are developed, yet there are also third world countries where english is one of their main, or it’s only language. Like the US (now legally it’s only language thanks to Trump), Botswana, Liberia, Nigeria, etc. And yes, with the current wealth inequality, corruption, general survival chance and general quality of life of the average US population, it also classifies as a third world country. I mean, they still have legal slavery. But you’re not the only American assuming all English speaking countries are developed.
I am from a developed country and we do have issues, as every country does. Non of our national issues come even close to the issues the US has, or the US is causing to us. And English isn’t one of our primary languages, our official languages are Dutch and Frisian but we are educated, as contrary to the US, attending school is mandatory by law. I’ve had English, German and French in school for 13 years next to Dutch. Currently I’m learning Norwegian as my partner is from there. But foreign languages are hard for me, I’m a beta person so I’m excelling in math and science. I’m also dyslexic so I keep making mistakes.
But we’re moving away from the main subject here. You agree with me you won’t risk your kids losing their farther by doing this. But then you say I can go fuck myself because you’re American. Why though, I don’t understand. Because you’re proud the US is going back to the moon? You know your tax money is paying for this bullshit right?
There’s a reason we didn’t go back there for 50 years.
Whatever we can achieve on the moon like farming water ice can be done better with robots, either autonomous or remote controlled (because the moon distance has barely any latency), as the entire infrastructure for humans is overly complex, expensive and dangerous and causes the eventual process to include the human error factor. But rationality is gone when corporate/billionaire/dictator greed comes into the equation.
Are you aware that every non-US American immediately rolls their eyes and won’t take anything else coming out of your mouth serious, when you say something like that?
Stock exchange was invented by the Dutch. If you don’t like the Dutch, would you sell all your stocks if you had them? What a bullshit argument. “Oh I don’t want that medication because it was invented by a French person”. Grow up. Your entire country is based on European countries, it’s heritage, culture and inventions, and exists mainly due to genocide of the native Americans and slavery which boosted its economy.
(did some grammatical and typo edits)
You do realize that multiple other genocides have happened since the American massacre of Native Americans?
There isn’t a single country on this planet that doesn’t have black smears all over its history.
And if a country’s history isn’t quite as bad as America’s, its people are just as shitty as they are everywhere else. Humans are terrible, vile, disgusting creatures that trample over everything they touch.
It’s easy to blame America, and as much as I truly dislike our government and our current president, I still love my country, its people, and living here.
Moreover, I couldn’t care less how much credibility I have in the comment section of a Lemmy post.
If you think you can stand on your laurels because you’re not American, once again, you can quietly go fuck yourself.
And the beautiful thing is, as an American, I get to say that to whoever the hell I want.
Yeah I do. Like the one in Palestine right now, which is supported by the US. Your tax money is used to kill innocent people, including thousands of children.
Can you support your claim? What are the black smears in the history of Greenland? Or Iceland? Other than US involvement or initiation, because the US did build a nuclear missile silo in the ice on Greenland.
Again, can you support your claim? How much countries have you visited? Ever been to Cambodia or Philippines for example? The people there are extremily nice and totally not selfish and narcissistic.
The way you grow up, the location, it’s culture, regulations, wealth, etc. have a large influence on how people become. When you grow up in a fascist state where education is optional, religion is central and politicians constantly spread fear, the chance of becoming an asshole yourself are significantly higher than when you grow up is a safe and healthy environment with proper education.
Why though, we just talked about dark smeres in the history of countries yet the US is still doing it, for 250 years already and doesn’t seem to stop any time soon. But let’s forget history for a moment. Let’s look at what the US is today: Slavery, corruption, war crimes, crimes against humanity, broken judicial system, corrupt voting system, extreme wealth inequality, insane amounts of suffering on so many levels for most of your fellow countrymen. Your president is a known criminal, child sex offender, and behaves like a toddler version of Hitler. Your country bombed 5 countries this year, that we know of. Kidnapped a president, caused a global oil crisis.
Please, tell me, what is there to love?
Also at a cop? ICE agents? A mad neighbor with a gun? I mean, yeah, sure you can say it, but anyone all over the world can say it. It’s just that for some people there are more consequences than for others. And when it comes to freedom of press, the US isn’t doing great. At least far worse than my country. On the world press freedom ranking the US ranks number 57 in 2025, between Sierra Leone and Gambia.
Right back at ya man. I find your responses highly ignorant. How much do you actually know of the world, how much have you seen, really? I have traveled to most continents, been to war zones, to enriched oil states, to poor heavily underdeveloped countries, countries in isolation, seen the most horrific and most beautiful things, met amazing and awful people. How wide is your sphere of influence?
“Hey kids, I’m going to be gone for 2 weeks… Cause I’m going to the FUCKING MOON! Get dunked on nerds”
Ya… That’s why he’s a bad parent.
We have absolutely no context on his personal life, just a couple news stories. Is he a bad parent because this is risky? Or a good parent because he’s being a role model for courage, or achieving your dreams, or something else.
We don’t know what the children value. We don’t know what kinds of talks they have had. I have no idea if his children asked him to not do it, or if they want him to fly around the moon. We don’t know what the contingency plan is if there’s an accident. I just don’t feel I know enough about their situation to say if he’s a bad parent or a good one.
I don’t even know how old his children are, I’m going to assume teens because he’s 50. Late teens early 20s is also possible. Either way old enough to have input and mature conversations.
You can easily find this information in a low level Google search.
That isn’t the point.
It doesn’t matter how old his kids are he’s their only dad.
I’m not saying he’s a bad person. I’m saying he took a risk he had no right to take.
The minutia and context is irrelevant.
Are you saying that he can’t have a conversation? If both his kids agree that he should go to the moon and he wants to go to the moon. He would still be a bad dad for going to the moon? I’m super confused by that line of logic.
You seem to be missing the point. I don’t know if you have children, and I’m not trying to fall back on the cliché that you “just wouldn’t understand,” but the broader discussion is irrelevant.
The situation is straightforward: he had no right to take that level of risk. There was a real possibility he could have died and left his children behind. That risk is excessive, regardless of the mission’s importance or exclusivity.
Maybe I will use the cliché after all, because as a parent, what my children might have wanted wouldn’t factor into the decision. I wouldn’t have gone.
I think people can value different things. Because you value things that are different from someone else doesn’t make them wrong. You can say that the perceived and actual risk are two high for me to take the chance. But it feels like you’re not respecting the autonomy of the children or the astronaut.
I also don’t understand what you mean by “no right to make that decision”. It sounds like you mean, parents are never justified in taking risks that involve the potential for death, even if their family is on board.
So I asked my parents about this since it’s only been like 10 years since they’ve been 50. My mother said that if it’s her job and she’s been involved in this for a long time she would go. And that she would just have a conversation with her children. She also said it would be way better than joining the military or being a black hawk pilot. My dad would be super on board to go to the moon.
That’s exactly what I’m saying and I’m not sure how to get this across to you.
Downvoted for being right, by butthurt americans desperately trying to convince themselves that the US isn’t a complete fucking joke
Can you blame uneducated brainwashed narcissistic fascists? Their feelings got hurt. Downvoting is the patriotic thing to do, some even go as far as a dillusional rant as a comment.