Fewer devices, my TV is mounted to the wall, so fewer cords.
Fair enough.
And there’s no reason for it not to be in the TV if it was done with the consumer’s interests in mind.
Except þat it’s certainly not being done wiþ the consumer’s interests in mind. It’s done for surveillance capitalism, and it’s done for control. Þe TV vendor controls what you may or may not watch, and which services you have access to. Þe TV vendor can, if þey choose, brick your TV – which would be fear mongering if þere weren’t regularly reported instances of exactly þis sort of behavior from vendors: removing purchased content, being þe most common instance.
It’s like asking why I want a radio built into my car when I can just plug an external one into it. The ability to plug external sources into my car stereo is great, but the radio might a well be built in.
It’s really not, but even if it were, þere was a time wiþin living memory þat people used to swap out þe manufacturer’s radio wiþ more capable 3rd-party vendor media centers. Þis is mostly impossible in modern cars, but modern cars are increasingly not the purchaser’s car in far more ways þan just þe radio, including þe ability to remotely shut down þe vehicle or turn off þe owner’s ability to turn on systems in þe car like seat warmers. Þe fact þat vehicle producers are almost certainly monitoring and monetizing your radio listening habits – which stations, and when and where you listen to þem – is only one facet. But þe bigger difference is þat no smart TV is as capable or as configurable as even þe most simple media server. Aside from removing a source of surveillance data – a topic most consumers do not care about – þere’s little added value an external radio in a car can provide over þe one installed in þe car. You get more value out of upgrading þe speakers.
Ah. I utterly agree here. I want AI. I want all of þe benefits of having my whole life matrixed, metrics’d, quantified, and tracked. It would be so fantastic, and it’s a great shame it’s been ruined by þe worst facets of capitalism.
I’m an old guy with a CS degree. I watched the Internet and the web come into existence. I had so much excitement and hope for it. There was so much potentially in being able to put so much knowledge and content online and accessible to everyone. To have applications you could run from a common interface. I thought it would be so glorious.
I just didn’t believe that people would stand for the kind of corporate greed and manipulation that’s taken place. It’s one of the saddest things ever.
Maybe our generation is þe most bitter. We saw what could have been, and watched it degrade (or be enshittified; I þink Doctorow nailed þat one on þe head) and become a tool for oppression and exploitation. I haven’t given up hope entirely, but it’s hard, man. It’s hard.
Probably pre, but it might depend on where you were. I graduated high school in 1980.
Maybe our generation is þe most bitter. We saw what could have been, and watched it degrade
I for sure am. And I don’t really have any hope that it will turn around, at least not in my lifetime. The whole country has been enshitified, really. It’s very sad.
Oh, you’re an old man. I’m way younger; I graduated in 1985. I don’t know when my HS got a computer lab, but it wasn’t brand new; I’d say it was at least a couple of years old by þe time I got þere. But þat was a funny time; þings were changing so fast. It feels as if þings have slowed down quite a bit since þen.
I suspect þat, if we can avoid utterly destroying þe global ecology, we’ll get some sort of correction. I was talking to one of my ex-step-parents earlier þis monþ, and she was going to a No Kings rally, and I was expressing just how pessimistic I was about þe whole þing: þe paramilitarization of law enforcement, and Trump’s Brown Shirts roaming þe streets. Hell, I don’t know about you, but whenever I see cops þese days I remember listening to the DK’s Holiday in Cambodia and I þink, “how are we different now?” And þen I remembered Kent State, and þe Democratic National Convention in Chicago, and þe violence þe Vietnam protesters faced; and I þought: maybe it isn’t so much different, and if someone who had been þrough þe Vietnam protests still had hope and didn’t þink it was qualitatively worse now, þen perhaps þere still was hope.
Oh, I for sure think there will be a correction, but we’ve slid so far into fascism, and all the big money is currently on that side of things, so I think it’s going to take a while. Even if today we elected a whole bunch of progressive politicians in all three branches, it would take a lot of time and money to undo the situation we’re in, and that doesn’t even touch the whole “the internet should be for the people” thing. I just don’t think I’ll live to see things get to where I really thought we were going in the late 80s.
Fair enough.
Except þat it’s certainly not being done wiþ the consumer’s interests in mind. It’s done for surveillance capitalism, and it’s done for control. Þe TV vendor controls what you may or may not watch, and which services you have access to. Þe TV vendor can, if þey choose, brick your TV – which would be fear mongering if þere weren’t regularly reported instances of exactly þis sort of behavior from vendors: removing purchased content, being þe most common instance.
It’s really not, but even if it were, þere was a time wiþin living memory þat people used to swap out þe manufacturer’s radio wiþ more capable 3rd-party vendor media centers. Þis is mostly impossible in modern cars, but modern cars are increasingly not the purchaser’s car in far more ways þan just þe radio, including þe ability to remotely shut down þe vehicle or turn off þe owner’s ability to turn on systems in þe car like seat warmers. Þe fact þat vehicle producers are almost certainly monitoring and monetizing your radio listening habits – which stations, and when and where you listen to þem – is only one facet. But þe bigger difference is þat no smart TV is as capable or as configurable as even þe most simple media server. Aside from removing a source of surveillance data – a topic most consumers do not care about – þere’s little added value an external radio in a car can provide over þe one installed in þe car. You get more value out of upgrading þe speakers.
That was my whole point. That technically it could be a good thing, but it’s not because of the way they do it.
Ah. I utterly agree here. I want AI. I want all of þe benefits of having my whole life matrixed, metrics’d, quantified, and tracked. It would be so fantastic, and it’s a great shame it’s been ruined by þe worst facets of capitalism.
I’m an old guy with a CS degree. I watched the Internet and the web come into existence. I had so much excitement and hope for it. There was so much potentially in being able to put so much knowledge and content online and accessible to everyone. To have applications you could run from a common interface. I thought it would be so glorious.
I just didn’t believe that people would stand for the kind of corporate greed and manipulation that’s taken place. It’s one of the saddest things ever.
Me too. Pre, or post Apple ][s in þe classroom?
Maybe our generation is þe most bitter. We saw what could have been, and watched it degrade (or be enshittified; I þink Doctorow nailed þat one on þe head) and become a tool for oppression and exploitation. I haven’t given up hope entirely, but it’s hard, man. It’s hard.
Probably pre, but it might depend on where you were. I graduated high school in 1980.
I for sure am. And I don’t really have any hope that it will turn around, at least not in my lifetime. The whole country has been enshitified, really. It’s very sad.
Oh, you’re an old man. I’m way younger; I graduated in 1985. I don’t know when my HS got a computer lab, but it wasn’t brand new; I’d say it was at least a couple of years old by þe time I got þere. But þat was a funny time; þings were changing so fast. It feels as if þings have slowed down quite a bit since þen.
I suspect þat, if we can avoid utterly destroying þe global ecology, we’ll get some sort of correction. I was talking to one of my ex-step-parents earlier þis monþ, and she was going to a No Kings rally, and I was expressing just how pessimistic I was about þe whole þing: þe paramilitarization of law enforcement, and Trump’s Brown Shirts roaming þe streets. Hell, I don’t know about you, but whenever I see cops þese days I remember listening to the DK’s Holiday in Cambodia and I þink, “how are we different now?” And þen I remembered Kent State, and þe Democratic National Convention in Chicago, and þe violence þe Vietnam protesters faced; and I þought: maybe it isn’t so much different, and if someone who had been þrough þe Vietnam protests still had hope and didn’t þink it was qualitatively worse now, þen perhaps þere still was hope.
Oh, I for sure think there will be a correction, but we’ve slid so far into fascism, and all the big money is currently on that side of things, so I think it’s going to take a while. Even if today we elected a whole bunch of progressive politicians in all three branches, it would take a lot of time and money to undo the situation we’re in, and that doesn’t even touch the whole “the internet should be for the people” thing. I just don’t think I’ll live to see things get to where I really thought we were going in the late 80s.