You’re suffering from some common misconceptions, namely that genitalia is how sex is defined. It’s not! Sex is defined entirely by gametes, because no other definition makes sense across the animal kingdom. The response to all of your questions is, “What gametes do they produce or are organized around producing?”.
Chromosomes are how sex is determined in humans, but not how sex is defined. Sex is not defined by sex characteristics. Other species have different sex determination systems, such as the ambient temperature determining the sex of a fetus. Trying to define sex by chromosomes for those species just wouldn’t make sense!
To answer your questions for persons A & B, please consult these handy charts:
You will notice that each viable DSD has male or female listed, because their sex is not ambiguous. Person A would likely have CAIS and therefore be male
Person B would likely be have XX male syndrome and also be male
Person C doesn’t exist, as you’re imagining; you’re suffering from another common misconception. Humans aren’t born with fully functional reproductive organs of both sexes. Some species do have that! They have body plans where that is a normal part of development, and you will simultaneously find healthy males, females, and hermaphrodites co-existing (or males+hermaphrodites, or other combinations). Keep in mind that those species still have two sexes, they just have individuals that are male, female, or both sexes (sequentially or simultaneously)
Humans are what’s known as gonochoric, because we don’t have that. You can find humans born with Ovotesticular syndrome, but that still isn’t “produces mature gametes of both types”. It’s “maybe produces gametes of one type, and has a bit of non-functional tissue of the other gamete type, known as streak tissue”. Their bodies are still organized around producing one gamete type or the other.
There are two sexes, because there are exactly two types of gametes in anisogamous species. No more, no less. Note that you’ll often see mating types confused with sex, but those are not sexes. Those are isogamous species and interesting, but irrelevant to this conversation.
So having never had a genetic test it is impossible for me to know my sex? In fact, for the vast majority of people in the world we don’t know their sex at all!
In that case it seems excessively foolish to have laws and policies based around sex, because 99% of the population have not had the appropriate tests to determine their sex.
I take it you accept the biological reality. It’s actually the case that most people know their sex. Anyone that has had a child knows what their sex is.
It’s true that in a lot of cases, sex isn’t particularly important. That’s OK! But sometimes it matters, like in elite sports. Athletes have to go through many invasive testing procedures to compete, and including a simple, noninvasive sex test is not a burden.
So until someone has a child it is impossible to know their sex without genetic testing? Still seems absurd to have any rules or polices regarding sex. How can we separate children by sex if we don’t know their sex?
You’re really trying here, but still no. There are many easy ways to determine sex. Having a child is one of them. Your argument that most people don’t know their sex is wrong.
Sex is empirically verifiable. Gender is not. Laws and rules based on sex can be enforced without bias. If you think laws shouldn’t be based on empirical facts, advocate for change.
This is all a digression from the fact that Khelif is self-admittedly male. If you think Khelif should be able to compete in women’s leagues regardless then convince the sport authorities to change the rules away from sex.
This is all a digression from the fact that Khelif is self-admittedly male.
Not what Khelif has said in the slightest. You’re trying to distract from your argument defining her as such.
Khelif made a statement.
You responded to that with the erroneous statement “that makes Khelif male”.
I’ve been responding directly to your statemen, and you’re saying that’s a digression despite it being your entire argument, because you can’t actually defend it. You’re stating it as a fact, and when questioned claim that it doesn’t matter while continuing to assert it as fact.
So far we have determined that according to you the only way for someone to know what sex they are is if they have a child or get genetically tested. What bathroom should I use? Don’t know because I haven’t had a child. My niece wants to join an after school sports team, guess we better have them genetically tested first so we know what team they are allowed to be on, because unless she gets pregnant there is no other way to tell.
You’re spewing lies. Please stop. Khelif admitted to being male. That’s indisputable. If you’re confused, please reread the article and above diagrams. It’s made to educate ignorant people. You can become educated.
Giving birth is one way of knowing. Please stop acting mentally disabled.
Glad to help!
You’re suffering from some common misconceptions, namely that genitalia is how sex is defined. It’s not! Sex is defined entirely by gametes, because no other definition makes sense across the animal kingdom. The response to all of your questions is, “What gametes do they produce or are organized around producing?”.
Chromosomes are how sex is determined in humans, but not how sex is defined. Sex is not defined by sex characteristics. Other species have different sex determination systems, such as the ambient temperature determining the sex of a fetus. Trying to define sex by chromosomes for those species just wouldn’t make sense!
To answer your questions for persons A & B, please consult these handy charts:
https://theparadoxinstitute.org/articles/sex-development-charts
You will notice that each viable DSD has male or female listed, because their sex is not ambiguous. Person A would likely have CAIS and therefore be male
Person B would likely be have XX male syndrome and also be male
Person C doesn’t exist, as you’re imagining; you’re suffering from another common misconception. Humans aren’t born with fully functional reproductive organs of both sexes. Some species do have that! They have body plans where that is a normal part of development, and you will simultaneously find healthy males, females, and hermaphrodites co-existing (or males+hermaphrodites, or other combinations). Keep in mind that those species still have two sexes, they just have individuals that are male, female, or both sexes (sequentially or simultaneously)
Humans are what’s known as gonochoric, because we don’t have that. You can find humans born with Ovotesticular syndrome, but that still isn’t “produces mature gametes of both types”. It’s “maybe produces gametes of one type, and has a bit of non-functional tissue of the other gamete type, known as streak tissue”. Their bodies are still organized around producing one gamete type or the other.
There are two sexes, because there are exactly two types of gametes in anisogamous species. No more, no less. Note that you’ll often see mating types confused with sex, but those are not sexes. Those are isogamous species and interesting, but irrelevant to this conversation.
I hope that helped!
So having never had a genetic test it is impossible for me to know my sex? In fact, for the vast majority of people in the world we don’t know their sex at all!
In that case it seems excessively foolish to have laws and policies based around sex, because 99% of the population have not had the appropriate tests to determine their sex.
I take it you accept the biological reality. It’s actually the case that most people know their sex. Anyone that has had a child knows what their sex is.
It’s true that in a lot of cases, sex isn’t particularly important. That’s OK! But sometimes it matters, like in elite sports. Athletes have to go through many invasive testing procedures to compete, and including a simple, noninvasive sex test is not a burden.
Clearly not, as you are claiming Khelif’s mother did not know the sex of her own child. So how could anybody know without a gentic test?
Other way around. Khelif’s mother knows what her own sex is. She gave birth to Khelif. Only one sex is capable of that in humans
So until someone has a child it is impossible to know their sex without genetic testing? Still seems absurd to have any rules or polices regarding sex. How can we separate children by sex if we don’t know their sex?
You’re really trying here, but still no. There are many easy ways to determine sex. Having a child is one of them. Your argument that most people don’t know their sex is wrong.
Sex is empirically verifiable. Gender is not. Laws and rules based on sex can be enforced without bias. If you think laws shouldn’t be based on empirical facts, advocate for change.
This is all a digression from the fact that Khelif is self-admittedly male. If you think Khelif should be able to compete in women’s leagues regardless then convince the sport authorities to change the rules away from sex.
Not what Khelif has said in the slightest. You’re trying to distract from your argument defining her as such.
Khelif made a statement.
You responded to that with the erroneous statement “that makes Khelif male”.
I’ve been responding directly to your statemen, and you’re saying that’s a digression despite it being your entire argument, because you can’t actually defend it. You’re stating it as a fact, and when questioned claim that it doesn’t matter while continuing to assert it as fact.
So far we have determined that according to you the only way for someone to know what sex they are is if they have a child or get genetically tested. What bathroom should I use? Don’t know because I haven’t had a child. My niece wants to join an after school sports team, guess we better have them genetically tested first so we know what team they are allowed to be on, because unless she gets pregnant there is no other way to tell.
You’re spewing lies. Please stop. Khelif admitted to being male. That’s indisputable. If you’re confused, please reread the article and above diagrams. It’s made to educate ignorant people. You can become educated.
Giving birth is one way of knowing. Please stop acting mentally disabled.