Disclaimer: I pretty much don’t like Rust, but most criticism of it boils down to culture war.
Why would a programming language destroy an operating system?
No, no, the architectures! The Debian architecture (apparently)!
Processor architectures maybe. They put Rust into Debian and it’s so bad that now e.g. amd64 is ruined forever for any OS and won’t see any new processors in the future. We’ll have to move to a different architecture. I didn’t watch the video since I treasure my brain cells too much but that’s what I choose to read into it.
(A more reasonable reading is that Debian now ships a kernel that includes Rust code and coincidentally has also dropped builds for several obscure architectures but I do not feel obliged to assume reason with a title and thumbnail like that.)
Deb and Ian are going to be so upset!
Ian’s dead, I don’t think Deb did much direct contributing
It’s 70-80% culture war bullshit, the rest is actual complaints for the language (or at least the use of language) often bundled with culture war bullshit.
If your tinfoil is thick enough, no coherent thought can penetrate.
No no you misunderstand. The literal servers are oxidising
Partly it’s more of “destroy an ecosystem”. Among languages, Rust is at the frontlines of a continuing trend to remove GPL-licensed, community toolkits and put corporate-friendly, AI-friendly toolkits in their place, eg.: replacing
grepwithopenaigrep, which would basically be step 2 in the process of privatizing or corporatizing the Linux ecosystem (and leads to the loss of a number of user freedoms).Hopefully nobody tells the corpos that they can just use BSD if they want a MIT licensed kernel and user-land
Licenses don’t matter when corpos don’t care anyways. Especially for training LLMs. They don’t care about copyright. I choose to use tools based on there merits over simply going “it has my favorite license.” Even though I say that, I still prefer AGPL even though I understand that of the corpos want to steal, they’ll steal it.
That’s true, for now.
Licenses might not matter now but if enough of a communal current for respect of licenses and of punishment for license breaking ramps up, we might be able to see something like (L)GPL class action suits against large corporations, at which point it becomes possible to at least seek reparation for previous damages.
But as with anything and everything law-related, licenses are declarations of intent. Their validity is only substantiated by the holder’s capacity to pursue punishment.
I think this is about how apt will depend on rust and then debian will need to drop some architetures it supports
The art was generated by AI, and likely the content and the text. Why are you all taking this so seriously?
*Looks at community name.* Seriously?
I don’t know about rust being an issue for debian; but AI is sure an issue. Weird move
Not that it impacts the validity of what he’s saying but the art the robot destroying Debian is using the logo for Rust the game, not the language.
The issue is probably the dropping of support for several obscure architectures used by 3 people combined due to there being no llvm support rust relies on
It is. But I doubt they are used by 3 combined people.
The Debian project needs to keep the machines for compiling and testing. And there’s probably no other machine of those architectures available for the enthusiasts to actually use.
Some people just drink the cool aid and decide they have found their new Lord and savior in a programming language. Others just add a new tool to their toolbox.
And some people pretend Rust is literally Satan, because the Code of Conduct, meanwhile companies like Twitter use it, projects like Ladybird use it, etc.
Rust is the future. Notice how the C design committees are scrambling to replicate what rust does while C continues to lay eggs everywhere it goes
title: “OMG! Something obliterates something else forever!
Looks inside: uncharismatic speaker is wishy washy about new development
Got curious and looked into it. All the architectures officially supported by Debian are also supported by Rustc.
- https://doc.rust-lang.org/beta/rustc/platform-support.html
- https://wiki.debian.org/SupportedArchitectures
I guess if you’re a fan of GNU/Hurd it might cause issues?Nope, Hurd got Rust support years ago
Ah! Seems it does, but not at Tier 1 or 2. So I guess it could be buggy?
