So if Obama, in your opinion, is only definitively worse on immigrants than trump, and everything else is a tie/debatable or worse, then why are you bringing him up? Why not Biden? Why Obama out of nowhere if, by your own admission right now, Trump is worse?
Because Obama also ran on getting out of middle Eastern wars like Iraq /Afghanistan, and also ran on closing Guantanamo Bay, and I believed him, the same way MAGAts believed Trump when he said he was against wars and wouldn’t go into Iran. Why I said I have some sympathy, as I believed the same lie. And Biden also deported more immigrants than Trump, but less than Obama, so I went with Obama there as well.
Yeah, I was young and fell for the Obama Hope & Change rhetoric. So can you make the case that Trump also wanted to stop the wars(which he ran on), but the government(and Israel, but that’s another story) stopped him?
No, I’m saying the same way Obama said he’d stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it’s easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration.
So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of “whatever else” and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can’t quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn’t change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn’t change things either.
On immigrants, no. On middle east wars, no, but debatable. On anything else, yes.
So if Obama, in your opinion, is only definitively worse on immigrants than trump, and everything else is a tie/debatable or worse, then why are you bringing him up? Why not Biden? Why Obama out of nowhere if, by your own admission right now, Trump is worse?
Because Obama also ran on getting out of middle Eastern wars like Iraq /Afghanistan, and also ran on closing Guantanamo Bay, and I believed him, the same way MAGAts believed Trump when he said he was against wars and wouldn’t go into Iran. Why I said I have some sympathy, as I believed the same lie. And Biden also deported more immigrants than Trump, but less than Obama, so I went with Obama there as well.
So he lied or, like that other person said, the rest of the government stopped him.
Maybe I’m more jaded but I assume all politicians lie, will say things to get elected, or at the very least don’t fulfill all the promises they make.
Yeah, I was young and fell for the Obama Hope & Change rhetoric. So can you make the case that Trump also wanted to stop the wars(which he ran on), but the government(and Israel, but that’s another story) stopped him?
Just to clarify, you’re asking if Trump wants to stop the wars but Congress is keeping them going?
No, I’m saying the same way Obama said he’d stop wars, then congress(and whatever else, Pantagon, CIA, Israel, etc) stopped him from doing so, Trump the same way ran on stopping wars, and then congress(again, whatever else) changed his mind. Though, yes, it’s easier to change Trumps mind through the blackmail. Obama only had his banker chosen administration.
I find it more likely Trump lied in the first place about stopping wars, rather than other people egging him on
So does that mean Obama was controlled by my list of “whatever else” and started all those wars against his own volition, instead of being a representative of the American people? Cause I can’t quite figure out which is worse, and where Americans should go if voting for change in 2008 didn’t change anything the same way that voting for the same thing in 2016 didn’t change things either.