One fairly reliable test to find out if a man (or woman) harbors some toxic masculinity - ask them about vegetarianism or veganism.
Few things will have a certain type spewing forth some of the most ridiculously asinine and sexist things like veg_n diets, LOL. Things like “soy boy” and silly discussions about how “men are inherently hunters” and lots of bro science about protein.
So yeah: if he leaned on the elk meat as something a real man needs to do…not surprising.
I’m not vegan. It’s absolutely a sustainable diet, however : I know several vegans that have been vegan for years; in some cases for decades. Personally, I’ve been mostly plant-based (100% vegetarian, but don’t eat much dairy and eggs, while I don’t take pains to avoid them, either) for over two decades.
In any case, I’m not sure why omnivores as I’m describing feel the need to disagree with vegans/vegetarians. The kind of thing I’m talking about is how their toxic masculinity is triggered - it seems to challenge the very core of their being to even know that vegan/vegetarians exist and without their permission, LOL. They seem especially triggered by men not eating meat.
I’ll be honest, that’s fair enough.
It’s not really any of my business if another person is vegan, as long as they’re not trying to shame me into abandoning meat.
It is a little sus that they get mad at someone eating something that isn’t a “beeg juicy steak”, like they’re Mr. Pottsdam or something.
It’s not really any of my business if another person is vegan, as long as they’re not trying to shame me into abandoning meat.
^ Probably the right position in both directions. I don’t really do any advocacy or even talk about it around omnivores as a general rule. About the most I’ve discussed it is online and only just to note my experiences. I don’t think running around trying to proselytize and shame others over their chosen diet is all that useful. It’s more annoying than it is effective. Some vegan/vegetarians, especially if they’ve just adopted the diet about five minutes ago, act like born-again xtians in many aspects and it is insufferable in my view. I’ve definitely had my run-ins with performative vegans or vegetarians and it’s quite off-putting.
Someone I knew kind of casually from work-related things was a much older guy who had been a vegetarian since the 60s and I had observed him over many years (as an omnivore) just quietly not eating meat. He would answer questions when asked, but was not out to scold and lecture or even really talk about his diet at all otherwise. I think he set a great example.
It is a little sus that they get mad at someone eating something that isn’t a “beeg juicy steak”, like they’re Mr. Pottsdam or something.
Yeah, this. Most of the conversations that I have had are usually from omnivores with constant passive-aggressive remarks or unwanted dissertations and what-if scenarios. I find it rather baffling. Just the act of eating and not having meat on the plate really seems to provoke a certain kind of omnivore.
In general, if someone asks about it in good faith, I’ll give what my experience was like and what our family tends to eat, etc. Beyond that, I’m not out there to be the vanguard of plant-based eating, LOL.
One fairly reliable test to find out if a man (or woman) harbors some toxic masculinity - ask them about vegetarianism or veganism.
Few things will have a certain type spewing forth some of the most ridiculously asinine and sexist things like veg_n diets, LOL. Things like “soy boy” and silly discussions about how “men are inherently hunters” and lots of bro science about protein.
So yeah: if he leaned on the elk meat as something a real man needs to do…not surprising.
No there are valid reasons to disagree with vegans.
It literally isn’t a sustainable diet without dozens of supplements. If you’re vegan I really hope you’re taking your B12.
I’m not vegan. It’s absolutely a sustainable diet, however : I know several vegans that have been vegan for years; in some cases for decades. Personally, I’ve been mostly plant-based (100% vegetarian, but don’t eat much dairy and eggs, while I don’t take pains to avoid them, either) for over two decades.
In any case, I’m not sure why omnivores as I’m describing feel the need to disagree with vegans/vegetarians. The kind of thing I’m talking about is how their toxic masculinity is triggered - it seems to challenge the very core of their being to even know that vegan/vegetarians exist and without their permission, LOL. They seem especially triggered by men not eating meat.
I’ll be honest, that’s fair enough. It’s not really any of my business if another person is vegan, as long as they’re not trying to shame me into abandoning meat.
It is a little sus that they get mad at someone eating something that isn’t a “beeg juicy steak”, like they’re Mr. Pottsdam or something.
^ Probably the right position in both directions. I don’t really do any advocacy or even talk about it around omnivores as a general rule. About the most I’ve discussed it is online and only just to note my experiences. I don’t think running around trying to proselytize and shame others over their chosen diet is all that useful. It’s more annoying than it is effective. Some vegan/vegetarians, especially if they’ve just adopted the diet about five minutes ago, act like born-again xtians in many aspects and it is insufferable in my view. I’ve definitely had my run-ins with performative vegans or vegetarians and it’s quite off-putting.
Someone I knew kind of casually from work-related things was a much older guy who had been a vegetarian since the 60s and I had observed him over many years (as an omnivore) just quietly not eating meat. He would answer questions when asked, but was not out to scold and lecture or even really talk about his diet at all otherwise. I think he set a great example.
Yeah, this. Most of the conversations that I have had are usually from omnivores with constant passive-aggressive remarks or unwanted dissertations and what-if scenarios. I find it rather baffling. Just the act of eating and not having meat on the plate really seems to provoke a certain kind of omnivore.
In general, if someone asks about it in good faith, I’ll give what my experience was like and what our family tends to eat, etc. Beyond that, I’m not out there to be the vanguard of plant-based eating, LOL.