Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. …
More context
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. …
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.
In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.
Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated
i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it
“Rules are important! I’m a good German, I follow the rules.” -German soldier in the 1940s
Cool non-answer. What part of civility rules typical across lemmy such as dbzer0’s own
allows exceptions for unhinged promotion of violence against commenters whom we unreasonably allege or “bad-jacket” as Zionist? Uncivil denunciations of Zionism are uncivil; therefore, moderators enforcing civility must prosecute. No evidence was given the moderators penalize civil denunciations of Zionism. Enforcing civility doesn’t imply Zionism.
This is basic logic. Denying basic logic implies staggering stupidity or dishonesty.
Dbzer0 civility rules aim to protect marginalized people from harassment. feddit.org’s are being deployed to protect Zionism from criticism while tone-policing Palestinians and their allies. These aren’t the same thing just because they both use the word ‘civility.’
feddit isn’t exactly enforcing civility neutrally. They’re silencing anti-Zionism while treating Zionist positions as the default that deserves civil engagement. That’s a political choice with the fig leaf of ‘just following
ordersthe law’, hardly ‘basic logic’. But thanks for explaining to a silly girl like meYeah, the good old “You are a Nazi for following rules”-thing. Because everyone who follows rules does so indly, except for oneself.
How would you categorize the community rules “Be nice to each other”, “Don’t insult each other” and “Don’t call for violence”? Just or unjust, dair or unfair, sensible or dumb, expedient or not?
How would you categorize the feddit.org admin using a snark comm to get people to send DM harrassment to users who upvoted the feddit.org defederation thread?
is that ‘being nice’?
Why the whataboutism? Please answer my question and do not answer with whataboutism or the discussion is over.
you started the whataboutism with 'what about the community rules"
please answer my question and do not answer with whataboutism or the discussion is over.
Wrong. I criticised the db0-governance post for delivering supposed evidence for feddit.org-admins’ supposed zionism that actually only were evidence for db0-users behaving like assholes.
And since you can only deflect and not actually argue, this discussion is over. In case you wonder why I won’t answer furher comments by you, I can’t see them anymore since I place you on my blocklist. People like you are the reason I’m really considering placing lemmy.ml as an instance on that list. Well done.
Bye, your contributions to the conversation won’t be missed
People like them have nothing to offer but deflection and whataboutisms. Blocking them allows the propaganda to spread and influence others uncontested. Best method is to downvote their posts but don’t engage with them, they feed off of the attention they get.
Easy: unjust, unfair, dumb.
Nazis easily pretend to be the nice people following the rules and if you get angry you’re the bad one. Don’t be nice to Nazis. Yell at them, insult them, punch them. Enforcing laws to protect oppressors is nothing more than protecting oppressors. “The only legitimate violence is state violence” and all that propaganda.
The Nazis are the ones breaking the “be nice” rule in the first place, they just do it while speaking nicely, they talk about enforcing rules and protecting order, but somehow they always dodge the question of how many people their order is killing. That’s not being nice. The rule is only there to forbid you for fighting back.
If you think that the “be nice” rule should punish calls to take down Israel or contest german support for the genocide, but not punish that same support for the genocide because it’s nice and polite… You’re just protecting the genocide. It doesn’t matter if anti-genocide comments are not nice enough for you - they shouldn’t have to be nice. Especially not when the German government literally makes it illegal to denounce Israel, even nicely.
A “be nice” rule is bad when there’s another rule that says it’s illegal to denounce genocide.