This comment is getting reported. I’m not going to remove it, even though it’s a dumbass thing to say. Just take it apart with your own comment if you want, there’s no benefit to anyone if I silence it.
Would you want me to celebrate the death sentence of your dog because it went and killed all my family?
In this crappy example here, whose at fault? Not the dog. But you. You who didn’t monitor him closely enough to prevent the tragedy.
What I want to say here is that we shouldn’t hate on the officers themselves, but on the government which created ICE in the first place. The officer could be a forced in a way or in another to do what he is doing, and isn’t particularly keen of doing it, his only goal being of bringing money to feed his family back home. (Maybe I’m wrong on who are the people who works at ICE).
So celebrating their harm/death is not the correct move if we want all of this to stop.
While my comment was mostly snark, the main point is that unlike a dog, these folks have agency in their decisions and approach to situations. Is the underlying management strategy of DHS/ICE wrong? Absolutely, but you don’t get to “I’m just following orders” your way through this as an ICE agent.
You can hate multiple things at once. I hate the individual agents and the administration. You cannot have a machine of oppression without both components; thus they are both worthy of hate.
“Just following orders” is not a valid defense for heinous acts. These people are evil. They are not only following inhumane orders, but going further. They’re not ordered to murder or rape people in custody but they do, because they want to. They’re grown ups making their own decisions. And those decisions are evil.
They are not mindless beasts. They know what they’re doing. They have no empathy. No respect for human life. They chose their paths. I’ll celebrate when that path leads to their demise.
OH NO, won’t some one think about the illegally occupying paramilitary groups safety and feelings? What if they pull a mussel sending someone to a concentration camp or slip while keeling on a neck? Wouldn’t that be horrific? Have some compassion for our boys in mask you monsters. Those illegals wont torture and lynch themselves without us. /s
Well you see that wasn’t the conclusion I was hoping for you to come to. I have never said that what they did is correct, and that we should all consider their feelings. I have just said that in the general sense, celebrating the death of another is wrong.
There’s some nuance here though when they shoot themselves with their own firearms. That’s absolutely self inflicted “play stupid games” material. So I wouldn’t condemn people celebrating this particular type of accidents.
I would celebrate their admission of wrongdoing and willful rehabilitation to civil society. Alternatively, if the way they stop being a threat is that they happen to die, I will celebrate that decent people are safer as a result.
They are also an origination killing people and publicly celebrating the murders as an act of “counter terrorism”. You don’t sign up for the gestapo for good vibes.
I’m not celebrating any of this, to be very clear. It’s more of a grim satisfaction. We departed ages ago from whether it’s right or wrong. They’re fascists. And they’re grossly incompetent. I am not upset by news that those doing vast and needless harm to innocent people are victim of their own incompetence and negligence. I’ll admit to some schadenfreude and move on with my life.
I find the detention, shooting, and killing of innocent lives to be abhorrent. I ain’t going to cry for the people perpetrating this violence, and I wish violence upon them. If they die, so be it. 1 less person killing innocent lives.
We celebrated when Hitler died. When bad people die, it’s not a bad thing.
This is a moral roadblock that really irks me, because those in power certainly do not care who dies and who lives. If our “leaders” don’t care, why should we? It’s an inherent disadvantage to our chances at getting out of this mess and eventually doing everything we can to fix the planet and better the world for ALL of humanity.
And yes, it’s a slippery slope, I know. I would certainly prefer it to be different. But treehugging and flag-waving and chanting only do anything when your voice is acknowledged by the power structure.
E: I hope you aren’t scared off Lemmy by the opposition you have faced. Please don’t leave!
Actually I recently discovered Lemmy while making research on the Fediverse. And your accusation of me being a fascist means that you didn’t understand what I wrote. I despise them just as much as you if you want to know everything.
And why would I even wait 4 hours from the creation of my account to my first comment to start posting my “fascist-appeasing nonsense”? If what you were saying was true my account would have the age of my first comment (which isn’t even a “fascist-appeasing nonsense” one)
Even if they are assholes, celebrating the harm/death of people isn’t right. These comments are disgusting
This comment is getting reported. I’m not going to remove it, even though it’s a dumbass thing to say. Just take it apart with your own comment if you want, there’s no benefit to anyone if I silence it.
They are kidnapping, torturing, starving, raping, and killing innocent people.
Celebrating their harm/death is definitely the right call here.
Would you want me to celebrate the death sentence of your dog because it went and killed all my family?
In this crappy example here, whose at fault? Not the dog. But you. You who didn’t monitor him closely enough to prevent the tragedy.
What I want to say here is that we shouldn’t hate on the officers themselves, but on the government which created ICE in the first place. The officer could be a forced in a way or in another to do what he is doing, and isn’t particularly keen of doing it, his only goal being of bringing money to feed his family back home. (Maybe I’m wrong on who are the people who works at ICE).
So celebrating their harm/death is not the correct move if we want all of this to stop.
Comparing ICE agents to dogs isn’t helping your argument here…
That’s it, I’m stopping here, if people prefer commenting on the words I use, instead of on what I’m saying, this debate will not go anywhere.
While my comment was mostly snark, the main point is that unlike a dog, these folks have agency in their decisions and approach to situations. Is the underlying management strategy of DHS/ICE wrong? Absolutely, but you don’t get to “I’m just following orders” your way through this as an ICE agent.
You can hate multiple things at once. I hate the individual agents and the administration. You cannot have a machine of oppression without both components; thus they are both worthy of hate.
“Just following orders” is not a valid defense for heinous acts. These people are evil. They are not only following inhumane orders, but going further. They’re not ordered to murder or rape people in custody but they do, because they want to. They’re grown ups making their own decisions. And those decisions are evil.
They are not mindless beasts. They know what they’re doing. They have no empathy. No respect for human life. They chose their paths. I’ll celebrate when that path leads to their demise.
Death to all Nazi scum.
OH NO, won’t some one think about the illegally occupying paramilitary groups safety and feelings? What if they pull a mussel sending someone to a concentration camp or slip while keeling on a neck? Wouldn’t that be horrific? Have some compassion for our boys in mask you monsters. Those illegals wont torture and lynch themselves without us. /s
Well you see that wasn’t the conclusion I was hoping for you to come to. I have never said that what they did is correct, and that we should all consider their feelings. I have just said that in the general sense, celebrating the death of another is wrong.
There’s some nuance here though when they shoot themselves with their own firearms. That’s absolutely self inflicted “play stupid games” material. So I wouldn’t condemn people celebrating this particular type of accidents.
I would celebrate their admission of wrongdoing and willful rehabilitation to civil society. Alternatively, if the way they stop being a threat is that they happen to die, I will celebrate that decent people are safer as a result.
They are also an origination killing people and publicly celebrating the murders as an act of “counter terrorism”. You don’t sign up for the gestapo for good vibes.
Yeah, you’re right on this one.
You realize that “assholes” doesn’t even come close, right?
Even if. We shouldn’t celebrate the death of another. Don’t you find that just a tiny bit wrong?
Nope.
I save my empathy for people who actually have empathy of their own.
No. Not for these people, not even a tiny bit. I’ll sleep like a baby.
I’m not celebrating any of this, to be very clear. It’s more of a grim satisfaction. We departed ages ago from whether it’s right or wrong. They’re fascists. And they’re grossly incompetent. I am not upset by news that those doing vast and needless harm to innocent people are victim of their own incompetence and negligence. I’ll admit to some schadenfreude and move on with my life.
I find the detention, shooting, and killing of innocent lives to be abhorrent. I ain’t going to cry for the people perpetrating this violence, and I wish violence upon them. If they die, so be it. 1 less person killing innocent lives.
We celebrated when Hitler died. When bad people die, it’s not a bad thing.
This is a moral roadblock that really irks me, because those in power certainly do not care who dies and who lives. If our “leaders” don’t care, why should we? It’s an inherent disadvantage to our chances at getting out of this mess and eventually doing everything we can to fix the planet and better the world for ALL of humanity.
And yes, it’s a slippery slope, I know. I would certainly prefer it to be different. But treehugging and flag-waving and chanting only do anything when your voice is acknowledged by the power structure.
E: I hope you aren’t scared off Lemmy by the opposition you have faced. Please don’t leave!
You joined here about 5 hours ago…probably to spout your fascist-appeasing nonsense. Your opinion means ZERO
Actually I recently discovered Lemmy while making research on the Fediverse. And your accusation of me being a fascist means that you didn’t understand what I wrote. I despise them just as much as you if you want to know everything.
And why would I even wait 4 hours from the creation of my account to my first comment to start posting my “fascist-appeasing nonsense”? If what you were saying was true my account would have the age of my first comment (which isn’t even a “fascist-appeasing nonsense” one)
These are murderous Nazis. your support is disgusting.
When did I ever support them? Did you even understand what I wrote? I said that celebrating the death of human beings isn’t right, that’s all.
You are equating these sadists to normal humans. They would shoot you if they had any excuse.
If this is the way you feel, then so be it… I would’ve tried anyway. Good luck to y’all in the USA.
Are people really downvoting this? Well this only shows to us the human nature, we really are all despicable.
Not all humans are equal. These assholes are guilty of crimes against humanity, so any one less of them by any means makes a better world.
Yes. Gleefully to every post you’ve made in this thread