• Matty Roses@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 day ago

    Please explain to me how my vote for De La Cruz in NY (which went for Kamala) helped Trump get elected?

    Show your work, because apparently you don’t understand how elections work.

    • agent_nycto@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      Look, I hate the whole blue no matter who bullshit, too. And yeah, maybe your specific vote, for someone who didn’t win, didn’t change history. But you gotta admit that the system as it was, and is, does not favor splitting the the vote, since it’s winner takes all. Since we have only two parties powerful enough to potentially win on the national level, if you don’t like Republicans, you’re stuck with Democrats. If you don’t like Democrats, you’re stuck with Republicans. With the system as it is now, on a national level, that’s what we’re working with.

      I want to fix that. We should fix that. I’d like to see the Republicans and Democrats ousted. I want to see ranked choice voting. I think you feel the same and I’m not even sure why you’re arguing with me at this point.

      But if we want to have meaningful impact, we have to still work with this broken car we’re riding in while working on changing it for something better.

      So yeah, vote third party at local levels and work our way up, push for voter reform and build a system that is more equitable, but also vote strategically. We no longer vote for, we vote against.

      • Matty Roses@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        16 hours ago

        So you’re rejecting all political influence you would have in the Democratic party.

        And the problem is this isn’t reciprocal. Look at the NY Mayoral election for a recent example. Vote Blue No Matter Who and prioritizing the lesser evil is ONLY ever applied one way.

        There’s a great article from 2020 where the NY Times says the quiet part loud - several articles about how Democratic party insiders were “willing to risk party damage to stop Sanders”. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html. Reminder this was during an election they claimed was existential for the US. Like the one in 2024, where they pushed, without a real primary, a candidate who had never won a single delegate.

        All this would be one thing if the centrists with their stranglehold on the party actually won. But they don’t. The GOP is firmly in control of the US - and yet the same broken party leadership remains, precisely because your logic empowers them.

        You want to make accusations that I’m electing Trump? No. It’s your unquestioning support of Democratic failure that enabled today.