• lemmylommy@lemmy.world
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    Because the article is terribly low on actual information, below is the spec for 5G network locations services. In short, the network can ask devices to assist in locating them. Without the users consent or knowledge.

    My best guess is that apple will reduce in accuracy or outright remove those features. Unless the user dials an emergency number of course.

    Also, the devices named are the first ones with apples own modem, so it can be assumed that Qualcomm did not give Apple sufficient access to their modems to do this.

    https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/123200_123299/123273/16.04.00_60/ts_123273v160400p.pdf

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    OK, so what are they doing (wasn’t explained in the article).

    Because it’s pretty easy to triangulate a phone just from the towers themselves - multiple towers pickup a phone, then based on signal strength and direction from each tower it’s location can be pretty closely determined.

    And with 5G cells being even smaller (often 1/4 mile in urban areas), the radio signal alone, triangulated, will locate you within a meter - the phone doesn’t have to do anything other than be on.

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      I imagine the OS is intentionally varying TX strength on the cell radio to spoof precise location detection from the tower network, since that would be the only way to meet the stated goal.

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        This would only work if there’s one cell tower within range of the phone, which is unlikely. It also wouldn’t help much because you already can’t triangulate with just one tower.

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      the radio signal alone, triangulated, will locate you within a meter

      I’m pretty sure that only works in perfect conditions, i.e. outside, no obstacles or walls.

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      I feel some skepticism about what Apple is claiming. They say that they hide your location from the government… but not first responders? First responders are the government??? It sounds more like PR than innovation.

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        Wikipedia says that enhanced 911 (e911) on cell phones can send location data, as collected by your phone, to a server which emergency operators can access. They can also use cell tower triangulation, but it appears that they don’t have to. And I’m pretty sure modern iPhones support e911

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          If your location data is sent anywhere, it’ll be got to by people you don’t want to get to it.

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            Sure, but the location is only shared from your phone to the server when you call the emergency line so it’s not really relevant. It’s not continuously streaming the location data at all times.