Here in my area, people would get fed up with the roundabout and just hang a left and drive right over the walkway to make a U-turn to get to the other side of the road.
What’s with blocking the left and right sides of the road with all the grass and trees and stuff anyways? We’ve had many otherwise successful businesses get shut down when they decided to block the ability to access both sides of the road easily.
Oh no, I get it, I’m actually all about nature, plants, trees, birds, bees, squirrels, racoons, etc. I get that.
But hell, when a city is already established with roads where you can easily turn towards either side to get to the place you’re looking to go, then they put in a divider that blocks said easy access, then people stop going to those places when they get off work, and those businesses wither away and end up shutting down, which kills the local economy and associated job opportunities.
Believe me, I know, I’m from an area where two different cities did exactly that, put divider plants in the middle of the highway, and half the businesses no longer exist. And it still did jack shit to help bicyclists.
Well, the idea is that you stop driving everywhere. Unfortunately, you have to make it inconvenient to drive if you want people to stop driving and we do want people to stop driving. I’m not gonna apologize for making you park a block over.
Research and studies into street design has already proven you wrong and I got a foot halfway out the door so I’m sorry I can’t look them up right now, but nicer streets boost sales of local businesses. It turns out that when people are incentivized to walk more in an area, they tend to visit a lot more shops in that area. When a person can drive their airconditioned sofa box right up to the door of the store, they don’t shop around at neighboring businesses. Sales go down as a whole.
Greenery and beautification in my urban hellscape? Who needs it!
Refuge island for pedestrians? Who needs it!
Combating the heat island effect? Who needs it!
Reduced noise pollution by planting trees? Who needs it!
Traffic calming? Who needs it!
Reduced risk of accidents using a physical median? Who needs it!
I’m not even a little sorry: the people there in your area – if this isn’t satire – sound like carbrained five-year-olds who shouldn’t be piloting a two-ton metal box.
The divider killed half the businesses and job opportunities near me, as nobody can find an easy way to turn to get to what used to be a Sonic and a Church’s Chicken, amongst many other businesses that used to exist, until the divider dried up their business and they closed down.
I call bullshit. If you want to go to a specific business, you can find the next safe intersection to do a legal U-turn. It’s like that where I live and it hasn’t put anyone out of business.
Go ahead and call bullshit, the next legal U-turn is like 3 miles up the road and over a major high rise bridge, where it’s also illegal for bicyclists and pedestrians to travel. Meaning you have to be driving a vehicle, and it makes it 6 miles out of the way to perform a legal U-turn.
So yeah, many otherwise successful businesses withered away and shut down because of their piss poor planning and rearrangement of the roads and highways.
Moss Point Mississippi if you wanna dig deeper into it, the whole shebang killed half the businesses in the area.
Imagine having to drive 50m to do a U-turn. Literally communism, amirite?
But seriously, that’s probably an intended feature, because people randomly turning into oncoming traffic is one of the main causes for accidents. Also note the double yellow line in the “before” image, so turns were prohibited even then.
![[image] when good infrastructure design does not just prioritize cars its a plus for everyone.](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d469ed6b-d0c3-44d0-a3a8-aafcf7dc2fff.jpeg){kind=link}
Here in my area, people would get fed up with the roundabout and just hang a left and drive right over the walkway to make a U-turn to get to the other side of the road.
What’s with blocking the left and right sides of the road with all the grass and trees and stuff anyways? We’ve had many otherwise successful businesses get shut down when they decided to block the ability to access both sides of the road easily.
Roundabout, cool 👍
Grass and trees blocking turns, not cool 👎
asphaltheads when they see something green
Oh no, I get it, I’m actually all about nature, plants, trees, birds, bees, squirrels, racoons, etc. I get that.
But hell, when a city is already established with roads where you can easily turn towards either side to get to the place you’re looking to go, then they put in a divider that blocks said easy access, then people stop going to those places when they get off work, and those businesses wither away and end up shutting down, which kills the local economy and associated job opportunities.
Believe me, I know, I’m from an area where two different cities did exactly that, put divider plants in the middle of the highway, and half the businesses no longer exist. And it still did jack shit to help bicyclists.
Well, the idea is that you stop driving everywhere. Unfortunately, you have to make it inconvenient to drive if you want people to stop driving and we do want people to stop driving. I’m not gonna apologize for making you park a block over.
Research and studies into street design has already proven you wrong and I got a foot halfway out the door so I’m sorry I can’t look them up right now, but nicer streets boost sales of local businesses. It turns out that when people are incentivized to walk more in an area, they tend to visit a lot more shops in that area. When a person can drive their airconditioned sofa box right up to the door of the store, they don’t shop around at neighboring businesses. Sales go down as a whole.
Bruh, they did this shit right after you get off of a high rise bridge where it’s illegal to ride a bicycle, or even walk for that matter.
I’m not even a little sorry: the people there in your area – if this isn’t satire – sound like carbrained five-year-olds who shouldn’t be piloting a two-ton metal box.
The divider killed half the businesses and job opportunities near me, as nobody can find an easy way to turn to get to what used to be a Sonic and a Church’s Chicken, amongst many other businesses that used to exist, until the divider dried up their business and they closed down.
I call bullshit. If you want to go to a specific business, you can find the next safe intersection to do a legal U-turn. It’s like that where I live and it hasn’t put anyone out of business.
Go ahead and call bullshit, the next legal U-turn is like 3 miles up the road and over a major high rise bridge, where it’s also illegal for bicyclists and pedestrians to travel. Meaning you have to be driving a vehicle, and it makes it 6 miles out of the way to perform a legal U-turn.
So yeah, many otherwise successful businesses withered away and shut down because of their piss poor planning and rearrangement of the roads and highways.
Moss Point Mississippi if you wanna dig deeper into it, the whole shebang killed half the businesses in the area.
Imagine having to drive 50m to do a U-turn. Literally communism, amirite?
But seriously, that’s probably an intended feature, because people randomly turning into oncoming traffic is one of the main causes for accidents. Also note the double yellow line in the “before” image, so turns were prohibited even then.
Okay, I’ll give you that double yellow line thing, gotcha.
In our area, that similar area was literally a turning lane, before they decided to dirt and grass/tree over it. It was once a literal turning lane.
every single one of em should lose their drivers license. Suddenly the roads are even safer now