Muslim voters disillusioned with President Biden’s position on Israel are facing the prospect of a difficult choice in 2024. Voters The Hill spoke with said they feel betrayed, angry and disappoint…
Muslim voters disillusioned with President Biden’s position on Israel are facing the prospect of a difficult choice in 2024.
Same as everyone else, they can choose between a moderate and a fascist.
Everyone has issues they don’t want moderation on. That doesn’t mean they are stupid enough to back a person who explicitly says they want to ban them.
They can also just be less enthused and a few may not vote. They don’t even need to decide not to vote - they can intend to, but with an additional logistical hurdle, it ceases to be something they do.
I’m not going to fight to vote if I think both candidates are happy to see me (and people like me) dead. And while Biden wrings his hands at the “jumanitarian” toll, it really looks like it’s the political one that has his attention.
People will have legitimate feelings about that and we as Americans are not entitled to Muslims voting against Trump. Even if we desperately need it.
If we do desperately need it, we’ll need to earn it.
I just think voting for someone who called for a full and complete ban on your religion entering the country absolves anyone of taking your position seriously in the future.
You say we as if “we” and Muslims are separate. We are all the same. We don’t have to earn Muslim votes. Our party needs to earn all of our votes. Just because they have a specific issue in world politics right now doesn’t make them any different than so many sub groups within the democrat party.
Nope. Like most things in the continued enshitification of life, the bleeding must be stopped before the wound may be closed. Voting for the lesser Evil is as required.
The moderate in question being Genocide Joe? The bigger problem to me seems to be why the DNC is incapable of producing an actual viable candidate.
Edit: you can downvote to your hearts content, as long as you eventually come to the realization that we’re headed nowhere nice regardless of how much we “vote blue no matter who”. The GOP has made their position clear beyond a doubt. The DNC has followed that up by crippling Bernie for having hints of socialism to him when he actually had a good shot of winning, leading us to Trump. Biden was never wanted by anyone, even before this went down. He won solely on the basis of not being Trump, and is currently being hated for his own stances. And still we all know the DNC won’t put up another candidate in 2024. Why? Are they not worried about Trump? Do they give a shit about the state of the country at all beyond maybe winning votes and securing donors? And even then the votes apparently matter less than the donors.
When you’ve got one party openly calling for fascism and the other party barely pulling the breaks on it, it doesn’t take a lot to realize where you’ll probably end up.
I keep seeing this nickname pop up but nobody seems to be able to tell me who Joe Biden has committed genocide against. The only Joe I know that’s committed genocide is Stalin.
It may not be considered genocide, but Biden supported the Iraq war and other efforts which caused a lot of civilian deaths estimated to be well over 100,000.
Sanders didn’t vote for the Iraq War. There were members that knew it was a big lie. So now we should feel bad for Joe Biden… poor guy was misled and lied to. By your logic, I should vote for any candidate… heck, I could vote for Trump, cause maybe poor Trump is just surrounded by people lying to him and he shouldn’t take any responsibility for anything. Seriously, how many times are the corporate Democrats going to play the… “Who coulda known game?”
Let’s approve this bill for a trillion dollars… oh, there was one person overseeing it and the President had authorization to fire them… hm, “Who coulda known?” You know it isn’t a good look when your excuses for your party is that they were too inept at the time to do their job.
You said it better than I could. I tried. Biden didn’t win because people like him. If they can’t put forward another inspiring candidate soon, then there is a good chance Trump will get re-elected. I don’t think the DNC even cares as long as it isn’t a progressive candidate. Then in 4 more years they can say, well if you don’t vote for our candidate you’ll get worse. Rinse & repeat.
Exactly. It’s just depressing when you actually sit down and realise that if nothing else drastically changes (which it won’t just by voting) we’re pretty much guarenteed to slide into whatever shit the GOP is willing to orchestrate due to the DNC’s stance. We’ve basically got fascism and fascism-on-pause as our only options when it comes to voting. Obviously one still feels preferable to the other (nobody would claim otherwise), but take a look at the big picture and realize how screwed everything is if all we have to depend on is “voting blue no matter who” while hoping the blue’s own shitty (in this case outright murderous) stances haven’t managed to discourage enough people to stay home once again.
I’m optimistic but in other ways. I’m optimistic that people will wake up to the manipulation taking place on both sides, and start a movement that encourages education and self-awareness. Even then, we are pretty defenseless against AI and those that may control it, but at least we will have some insight into how easily we are manipulated.
No they don’t.
Same as everyone else, they can choose between a moderate and a fascist.
Everyone has issues they don’t want moderation on. That doesn’t mean they are stupid enough to back a person who explicitly says they want to ban them.
They can also just be less enthused and a few may not vote. They don’t even need to decide not to vote - they can intend to, but with an additional logistical hurdle, it ceases to be something they do.
I’m not going to fight to vote if I think both candidates are happy to see me (and people like me) dead. And while Biden wrings his hands at the “jumanitarian” toll, it really looks like it’s the political one that has his attention.
People will have legitimate feelings about that and we as Americans are not entitled to Muslims voting against Trump. Even if we desperately need it.
If we do desperately need it, we’ll need to earn it.
I just think voting for someone who called for a full and complete ban on your religion entering the country absolves anyone of taking your position seriously in the future.
You say we as if “we” and Muslims are separate. We are all the same. We don’t have to earn Muslim votes. Our party needs to earn all of our votes. Just because they have a specific issue in world politics right now doesn’t make them any different than so many sub groups within the democrat party.
Nope. Like most things in the continued enshitification of life, the bleeding must be stopped before the wound may be closed. Voting for the lesser Evil is as required.
Every Election, no excuses.
The moderate in question being Genocide Joe? The bigger problem to me seems to be why the DNC is incapable of producing an actual viable candidate.
Edit: you can downvote to your hearts content, as long as you eventually come to the realization that we’re headed nowhere nice regardless of how much we “vote blue no matter who”. The GOP has made their position clear beyond a doubt. The DNC has followed that up by crippling Bernie for having hints of socialism to him when he actually had a good shot of winning, leading us to Trump. Biden was never wanted by anyone, even before this went down. He won solely on the basis of not being Trump, and is currently being hated for his own stances. And still we all know the DNC won’t put up another candidate in 2024. Why? Are they not worried about Trump? Do they give a shit about the state of the country at all beyond maybe winning votes and securing donors? And even then the votes apparently matter less than the donors.
When you’ve got one party openly calling for fascism and the other party barely pulling the breaks on it, it doesn’t take a lot to realize where you’ll probably end up.
I keep seeing this nickname pop up but nobody seems to be able to tell me who Joe Biden has committed genocide against. The only Joe I know that’s committed genocide is Stalin.
Me. Joe Biden broken into my house and ate all my ice cream
Oh shit. Are you doing ok?
yup.
It may not be considered genocide, but Biden supported the Iraq war and other efforts which caused a lot of civilian deaths estimated to be well over 100,000.
You mean the war that was supported by virtually the entirety of Congress and the Senate, up to and including Bernie Sanders? That war?
They got fucking lied to and made a bad decision based on bad information. How is that anyone other than the Bush administrations fault?
Sanders didn’t vote for the Iraq War. There were members that knew it was a big lie. So now we should feel bad for Joe Biden… poor guy was misled and lied to. By your logic, I should vote for any candidate… heck, I could vote for Trump, cause maybe poor Trump is just surrounded by people lying to him and he shouldn’t take any responsibility for anything. Seriously, how many times are the corporate Democrats going to play the… “Who coulda known game?”
Let’s approve this bill for a trillion dollars… oh, there was one person overseeing it and the President had authorization to fire them… hm, “Who coulda known?” You know it isn’t a good look when your excuses for your party is that they were too inept at the time to do their job.
You said it better than I could. I tried. Biden didn’t win because people like him. If they can’t put forward another inspiring candidate soon, then there is a good chance Trump will get re-elected. I don’t think the DNC even cares as long as it isn’t a progressive candidate. Then in 4 more years they can say, well if you don’t vote for our candidate you’ll get worse. Rinse & repeat.
Exactly. It’s just depressing when you actually sit down and realise that if nothing else drastically changes (which it won’t just by voting) we’re pretty much guarenteed to slide into whatever shit the GOP is willing to orchestrate due to the DNC’s stance. We’ve basically got fascism and fascism-on-pause as our only options when it comes to voting. Obviously one still feels preferable to the other (nobody would claim otherwise), but take a look at the big picture and realize how screwed everything is if all we have to depend on is “voting blue no matter who” while hoping the blue’s own shitty (in this case outright murderous) stances haven’t managed to discourage enough people to stay home once again.
I’m optimistic but in other ways. I’m optimistic that people will wake up to the manipulation taking place on both sides, and start a movement that encourages education and self-awareness. Even then, we are pretty defenseless against AI and those that may control it, but at least we will have some insight into how easily we are manipulated.