And a fourth bar that extends beyond the top of the page simply labeled “luck”
And can’t forget the bar for “nepotism”!
Both of these are covered by “knowing the right people”.
Nepotism is often the only bar on the chart.
The ‘born into wealth’ bar is so large, you’d need a microscope to see any other bars.
Ever seen the difference in wealth between millions and billions?
Put another way, Elon could spend a million dollars a day for a thousand years and still be a billionaire.
When people are starving and can’t get healthcare or basic needs, that’s just fucking disgusting.
This should be the top comment.
Besides the doors my parents opened for me, every single opportunity I have had has been because I walked through the door and asked. I have found that often, you make your own luck.
Add “masking” if you’re even remotely neurodivergent.
at some point between when I got my first job and now, I’ve like stopped masking as much because I can’t even get an interview at other retail stores.
like a grocery store had an opening, which they somehow filled within like less than a day. like half a year later there’s another opening and I apply and everything same day as when I got the email they had an opening. these bitches never got back to me.
There’s actually research on how little correlation there is between interview performance and job performance in most cases. This includes cases with “objective” tests during the process, if I remember right.
Yeah, just because you can do something for an interview doesn’t mean you will do it again repeatedly for years on end.
And the list of skills needed and duties in the job posting often don’t overlap much with the actual work.
this is why the final step of our hiring process (don’t worry, there are only three steps, one of which is simply a short HR screening call) is to come to the shop and walk around and look at stuff and talk about it effectively
if you can’t do that, you can’t do the job, because that’s like half the job.
What’s the job just out of curiosity?
automated machine design
Also, if you made a mistake in an interview, that shows nothing about how youre capable of learning from a mistake.
Id rather work with someone who admits they made a mistake and learn from it than a person who “knows it all.”
And with what some recruiters put on linked in, some barely have any idea what they’re doing and just have some nonsense red flags to rationalize their job.
Nah, the biggest slice is knowing how to game the application algorithms they use to choose who to even interview.
That’s my issue. I’ve been offered every job I’ve ever interviewed for, but getting the interview is the hard part.
And in the end, the jobs I’ve had have come through that third “who you know” column that got me to the interview.
I’d actually be a little concerned if this was the case.
It could mean your application is so trash only really desperate employers are willing to interview and hire you which opens you up to working for shit employers.
I haven’t actually had to make an application in years now. I’ve been approached directly for my last 2 jobs.
Don’t need that if you know the right people
that usually isnt known to to applicant, all you see is a job listing.
Ok but how do you actually get to the interview part?
i get rejected before they even talk to me.
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Anecdotally, plus one here. Although the job market is shit right now, good people are hard to find.
Shocking how I fit all these criteria and still only got two interviews.
And I’m probably pretty lucky.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
I actually fit all of those criteria, except that I am looking for entry level IT jobs.
I don’t use AI for my resume or cover letter, my last two jobs each lasted 5 years. I was an accountant (not super specialized, though, just basic book keeping) for a bookstore at a major university and did a lot of unofficial tech support for them. Before that I was a bartender and a waiter. I’ve had tons of other jobs, but I figured 10 years of solid employment history was enough.
I’ve also got a bachelor’s degree in management and recent A+ and Network+ certificates. I’m working on various IT related projects in my spare time, etc. Is it really just because I’m seeking entry level positions? I’m even applying to “entry level” stuff but they all want two years of experience somehow. I don’t understand why people aren’t allowed to be new at things, even when they’ve got certifications saying they’re qualified.
It’s getting very frustrating out here lol
What level are you talking about here?
Is it technical or management?
And in what field?
What about entry level?
seems pretty arbitrary and employers do use software to screen people out as well.
For me? You get an interview if you apply and have even remotely close to the right skill set. My jobs are extremely technical and specialized though. I had one position sit open 10 months before i got an applicant. I see all these posts about people sending out hundreds of applications to get 3 interviews, and im struggling to get an applicatant at all
I focus on fluid dynamics and heat transfer in jet engines.
lol that is very specific and I can imagine it’s hard to be qualified for. I’m just out for basic IT. I can sys admin, or work the help desk. I’ve got an A+ and Network+ certificate and a decade of customer service experience on top of a management degree. It just isn’t enough without a least two years of experience it seems.
thats very specific, and im betting people are applying to anything remotely similar to thier fields, just to get a job interview, because thier previous net wasnt wide enough.
Replace the “Interview skills” bar with “knowing the right people”.
I stopped accepting offers to be in the interview stage after too many, what I thought were, great interviewees ended up being shitty colleagues. Being a great interview seems to be an appropriate bar to jump over for sales, and upper management.
Interview skills should be a pie chart or horizontal bar just to highlight that they are also irrelevant.
Reminds me of the ‘joke’ where a secretary goes into her bosses’ office with a high stack of résumés, puts it on his desk. He then randomly takes half a pile and throws it in the garbage. The secretary, surprised and a bit shocked, asks him why did you do that for? Those are perfectly good résumés. To which he replies I don’t hire unlucky people.
This is true. If you are not interviewing at least one a quarter (even if you’re happy at your current job) you are doing yourself a disservice. It is a skill in itself that needs to be trained and kept current. As a side effect you might get offers and jobs you didn’t even know existed.
I switched jobs twice in the last 10 years and as a result at least doublingy salary, without ever feeling the need to switch, just to keep interviewing as “seeing what’s out there”.
Also allows you to reject jobs by asking for ridiculous amounts of money, sometimes failing successfully.
should add a 3rd bar, nepotism, or how well the interviewer/hr likes you or your fit for the company,
That’s part of interview skills. Be kind, relatable, pleasant.
Add a fourth bar. The physical attractiveness scale. Attractive candidates are more likely to get hired and even earn more over their career.
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90% of the time in interviews is showing enthusiasm, energy, being sycophantic, and most of all-- showing examples of having applied soft skills1. The remaining 10% is showing technical know how.
- That being said, here’s a Life Pro Tip: make personal notes of personal achievements at work, or outside examples in your volunteering, school work or social clubs if you are just starting in your career and/or have no previous work experience. It does not have to be dramatic, but let’s say you are a good mentor, help friends and colleagues with tasks to finish the entire job effectively, or saw defects in product and did not pass it despite potential delays, etc. From my experience, most people neglect soft skills. Any organisations are still team-based and human-facing because you work in a team, so it’s good to develop personable and soft skills. And I got flak on Lemmy here before because many users here are introverts (a lot tend to be IT workers), but unless we finally get UBI, even in the sector full of introverts, that’s just the reality and a person has to suck up with interacting with others to get a job.
actually looking for rhyme or reason to getting jobs in the 20’s.
Employment is just one of those things that happen from time to time. Life coaches, gypsy tarot readers and employment agencies are just a few of the shysters who will attempt to offer shape, meaning, reason or hope to it, but these things just happen or dont and theres nothing anyone can actually do about it either way.
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