China launched its most extensive war games around Taiwan on Monday to showcase Beijing’s ability to cut off the island from outside support in a conflict, testing Taipei’s resolve to defend itself and its arsenal of U.S.-made weapons.
The Eastern Theatre Command said it had deployed troops, warships, fighter jets and artillery for its “Justice Mission 2025” exercises to encircle the democratically governed island, conduct live fire and simulated strikes on land and sea targets, and drills to blockade Taiwan’s main ports.
The live-firing exercises will continue on Tuesday across a record seven zones designated by China’s Maritime Safety Administration, making the drills the largest to date by total coverage and in areas closer to Taiwan than previous exercises. The military had initially said artillery firing would be confined to five zones.
You are again strawmanning. As much as I dismiss the zionist claim to the Israeli lands, I do not consider Israel to have zero claim to the lands they possess. I am firmly against their expansionist tactics, but I acknowledge that Israel has existed for decades now, and that many people were born there and have lived there all their lives. Hence, I don’t support the full elimination of the Israeli state, merely its containment, and I support Palestinian statehood. This is not an incongruent position.
You also claim that Taiwan is not a nation. But there is definitely an emerging Taiwanese national identity, surrounding the island territory, their modern democratic principles and history of opposition to the PRC. So this claim of yours is based on an assumption, one shared by the PRC, but one which polls increasingly show is outdated.
Created it? The ROC fled to Taiwan without US/UK help. In fact, the PRC did make one attempt at an amphibious assault, which went so poorly due to the ROC having a fairly large navy and airforce still, which the PRC sorely lacked. It was in fact Truman’s policy to essentially “let China fall”, meaning they wouldn’t intervene.
This however changed when China hopped on to the imperialism bandwagon and started supporting their proxy in North-Korea. This solidified the PRC as a belligerent nation towards the US. The rampant McCarthyism at the time forced Truman’s hand; he now had to defend other non-communist nations against the “communist threat” in China. This only started happening because the PRC moved against the US and UN in Korea. Had they not done this, the US would likely not have defended Taiwan and followed Truman’s earlier policy.
I’m not sure why you’re mentioning the UK by the way, as far as I’m aware they’ve not threatened to militarily intervene if the PRC were to invade. The US has postured with the seventh fleet threatening to do so, but I can’t find anything on the UK doing something similar. The US has also consistently opposed the ROC attempting to return to the mainland, to the point of almost sabotaging those efforts. So thanks to those US threats, there has been very little to no fighting at all between the two sides since the flight to Taiwan.
You seem to have fallen into the trap of seeing abritrary definitions of arbitrary concepts as being legitimate reasons to inflict severe suffering and death on people, ignoring the reality on the ground. You’re free to do so, but I’m simply going to remain fundamentally opposed to this imperialist reading of history, and I don’t think furthering this discussion has any merit.
Oh Lord. Supporting North Korea made China an imperialist?! Look, I don’t have the stomach for you anymore. You have NO fucking clue what you’re talking about and you clearly don’t give a shit. The US was the imperialist force on the Korean Peninsula, having taken over the imperialist occupation from Japan. The fucking US military leadership was trying to find a way to nuke China to end the communist scourge.
And let’s just fucking clear, becoming communist is a choice that nations make as part of their self-determination. The idea that the US had any fucking grounds to be in Korea deciding how they should govern themselves is total fucking apologia.
Chinese involvement in helping it’s neighbor against a brutal genocidal invade from the other side of the planet is not grounds for the US to intervene in Taiwan. And you think I have an imperialist reading of history?!
You think Israel has a right to exist as a settler state because it managed to survive long enough to have a couple kids? You think the USA and Canada are legitimate too and have legitimate claim to the lands because they bred there?! And I’m the fucking imperialist?!
Get fucked.
Again you display a total lack of historical awareness. Korea was subdivided into two occupational zones by two imperialist powers, both intent on expanding their influence in the area. The people of neither area voted for such a division.
Moreover, it was North-Korea that invaded the South, not the other way around. China also sent huge amounts of troops to the North for this initial invasion (up to 47% of the NK army consisted of Chinese troops when war broke out). Later, when the war did not go so well for NK anymore they sent even more troops.
Plans of the US military to nuke China only came about after the Chinese helped NK invade the South, not before. It was also opposed on various levels of the military and government, so ultimately it did not happen. Again, it was Trumans policy to let China fall to the PRC, and it only changed after they started getting involved in Korea, not before.
The North-Korean government was installed by the Soviet Union in the Soviet occupation zone. It was not created by the Korean people there. It has just about as much legitimacy as the SK government, which came about through elections held by the US in the American occupation zone.
We’re done here.
What you call historical awareness I call ideological fiction. The USSR was not an imperialist power, especially not in the period we are talking about. The Russia, China, and Korea are neighbors. They all have an interest in what happens with each other one. Korea was subdivided into two occupational zones because Korea was occupied fully by Japan and then occupied again by the US. The North was NEVER occupied by the USSR nor by China. The USSR had just survived the most brutal war in the history of the world and they had borne the brunt of the onslaught. The US, however, was fresh and ready to fight and firmly ideologically committed to their psychotic rapacious mass murderous program.
It’s none of the USA’s business what the fuck is happening on the Korean peninsula. The fact that China lent support to one faction of the Korean civil war, which was happening because the Japanese occupiers had been defeated, is not relevant and does not give the US any standing to do anything ESPECIALLY nuke another country.
You gotta stop reifying this shit. There was only Korea. Japan occupied all of it. The US came in and the Chinese and Soviets said that Korea should be allowed to resolve their own issues and as neighbors they’ll support whoever is anti-imperialist, which they did. The US said “hells no” because they thought they should have a say over the spread of communism. Because they are actual imperialists. I know it’s confusing, but China and the USSR were not imperialists at the time of this conflict. China has never been an imperialist since the civil war. The USSR could be argued as imperialist during Kruschev’s tenure, but the Korean situation was entirely created by two imperialist powers - Japan and the US.
The Soviet Union created a provisional government in the power vacuum that was to exist upon the Japanese surrendering. The problem emerged when the US thought that because they nuked Japan that the USA should occupy Korea, so the USSR needed to actually garrison the area with military force to prevent its supposed ally from building a military base on its Eastern border.
Sure, the legitimate elections that resulted in military dictators for 40 years. Very legitimate.
Just to disabuse you of your total fantasy - the people of Korea in both the Northern and Southern administrative zones participated in the creation of their governments. The Soviets provided a ready-built structure for that government, and the US provided a ready-built structure for that government. In both cases, there were to be leaders. Under the Soviet model, leaders were selected in a more parliamentary way, that is to say that representatives selected the leader. Under the US model, the electorate has a direct election for the president. Both models are democratic in different ways. But to imagine that because the South elected their president that the USA didn’t fully impose that entire bureaucratic structure on them is willful ignorance, and to imagine that the Soviet system, which consisted of democratic workers councils in every workplace and in every village was somehow imposed on the Korean people without their participation is just more Manichean fantasy bullshit that keeps your psyche safe from reality.
Good riddance.