A leaked Justice Department memo directs federal prosecutors to press “domestic terrorism” charges against individuals who record immigration operations.
Personally if there was something I alone could do to end this that doesn’t:
Place my family in danger
Require I die
Has 100% chance of success
I’d be all-in in a heartbeat. The problem is each of my requirements has risk that fluctuates, and all three of them have never been worth-it enough at the same time.
No insurrection is easy and risk-free. I think that’s what bothers me and many other non-american commenters on here: the expectation of comfort even during resistance.
“Give me liberty or give me death” was not hyperbole at the time. Some things are worth dying for. Success is never certain. The only thing you can do, is fight.
But here’s the thing - I’m of the opinion that there need to be some seismic changes and severe punishments for those who enabled this, both the bad actors and retarded MAGAts. Why the hell would I go it alone to fight for Dems when they won’t commit to ANY turnabout? The only way forward is doing what SHOULD’VE been done after the Civil War and stripping these Republican traitors from all levers of power for generations; I can’t even get my Rep to commit to jail time for these assholes, REGARDLESS OF ILLEGITIMATE PARDONS.
So for me to jump in there needs to be support and reasonable chances of success, because I’m NOT taking those risks if the Red Hats that caused it get off Scot-free again.
Organize a more robust civil society outside of religious institutions or institutions captured by oligarchs. This is the weak spot of the USA, and as long as it goes neglected, political change will always eventually skew back towards authoritarianism.
So, you might ask, how am I supposed to do that? Well it really really depends on who and where you are. Do you have money? Do you have time? Are you educated in a certain way? What is your skillset? Answer those questions and old farts like me can give you the benefit of experience.
Basically, be less of a hero individualist expecting measurable change with your name attached, and more in service of the community where you say we did that, and make pressure for change from there. You will have a lot of choices about how to personally make a difference from there.
tl;dr: you are asking the wrong people, and expecting the wrong results
The people and businesses who fund the political candidates, capitulate, or otherwise support facism. Stop buying from Walmart, target, home Depot, Amazon, Tesla, u-line, etc. buy things second hand and pay with cash. Stop using traditional social media (already here) It doesn’t have to be perfect, but do your best to be mindful of who you’re buying from.
Also Americans: “I can’t stop buying from Amazon, other people still are! The mildest of inconveniences is too much effort on my part to resist fascism! Can’t you do it for me?”
Oh for fucks sake, I’m not talking individuals here. You are making a strawman argument.
You need to seek out others who also want to do something, and there is plenty of opportunity for that with todays social media.
Then you plan together what would be a good thing to do locally for your area.
If others are doing something too, and their approach is more successful, you join them.
You collect a group, and do maybe 1 hour protests once a week to begin with, get peoples attention, and try to get more to join.
AFAIK that’s just about how grassroots movements get started.
Also you’ve had almost a year to figure something out now, how lame is it of you to ask this question now?
They just want to whine about the US, they have no actual suggestions with merit and keep trying to dismiss any and all evidence that people are actually doing things.
If they were talking about Ukraine, I’d assume they’re a Russian bot.
Build a more secular, caring, educated, egalitarian society? Row together with others to move the whole boat.
Not a specious statement. People saying ‘what am I supposed to do?’ often seem to think they can put republicans out of office and the problem is solved. USA is culturally divided and class stratified, and the non-commercial sectors are under repression.
There is only so much one person can do, and I absolutely do not blame those Americans that actually voted against Trump, and those who are actively protesting.
It’s the remaining 90+% that are the problem.
At least the majority seems to be voting Democrat now, but it’s far from a sure thing there will be another presidential election.
Even peacefully protesting certain subjects is becoming dangerous. Wake up. We need strength in numbers and they be spent 40 years convincing us all that we’re “others”. It’s gonna take an extremely unifying event that affects everyone.
Even peacefully protesting certain subjects is becoming dangerous.
So maybe you should all have started earlier? It’s not like this development was hard to spot already a few days into this administration.
Edit:
Wow the amount of butthurt people here who can’t stand to hear the truth is insane! 🤣
It’s not like it’s something I’m saying in hindsight, feel free to go back in my history and see what I wrote around the time Trump was inaugurated!
I predicted exactly that nothing would happen, because a majority of the American people was actually OK with the shit Trump was about to pull. Or at least OK/stupid enough to not be likely to do anything about it.
Every expert worth his/her salt warned before Trump was elected, that this second time would be way worse than the first, because the reigns are off. And that’s EXACTLY what we see now. Including destroying affordable healthcare which was VERY CLEARLY warned about that he would!!!
Don’t try to claim you didn’t know already back in the beginning of the year. Because if you didn’t, it’s only because you kept yourself willingly ignorant.
Suggestions aren’t necessary, the will to make an effort is what is lacking, not opportunities to oppose the administration.
Read my other posts for suggestions, and the obvious simple explanation of how grassroots movements work.
That is hyperbolic for the USA, even if there are some risks. Maybe if you have a green card find back lines tasks instead of front lines. Seasoned activists who are part of the event can advise on specific tactics and strategies for a safe protest. Listen to them first.
Yes because people are sent to prison for protesting, and in American prisons you die of polonium poisoning after a few months. /s
Talk about a moronic straw man!!
Personally if there was something I alone could do to end this that doesn’t:
I’d be all-in in a heartbeat. The problem is each of my requirements has risk that fluctuates, and all three of them have never been worth-it enough at the same time.
Ironic coming from “Guy Fawkes”
No insurrection is easy and risk-free. I think that’s what bothers me and many other non-american commenters on here: the expectation of comfort even during resistance.
“Give me liberty or give me death” was not hyperbole at the time. Some things are worth dying for. Success is never certain. The only thing you can do, is fight.
Ha, ikr???
But here’s the thing - I’m of the opinion that there need to be some seismic changes and severe punishments for those who enabled this, both the bad actors and retarded MAGAts. Why the hell would I go it alone to fight for Dems when they won’t commit to ANY turnabout? The only way forward is doing what SHOULD’VE been done after the Civil War and stripping these Republican traitors from all levers of power for generations; I can’t even get my Rep to commit to jail time for these assholes, REGARDLESS OF ILLEGITIMATE PARDONS.
So for me to jump in there needs to be support and reasonable chances of success, because I’m NOT taking those risks if the Red Hats that caused it get off Scot-free again.
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Nobody said anything about putting yourself in danger.
Please give examples of what one person could do, that actually makes a change.
Organize a more robust civil society outside of religious institutions or institutions captured by oligarchs. This is the weak spot of the USA, and as long as it goes neglected, political change will always eventually skew back towards authoritarianism.
So, you might ask, how am I supposed to do that? Well it really really depends on who and where you are. Do you have money? Do you have time? Are you educated in a certain way? What is your skillset? Answer those questions and old farts like me can give you the benefit of experience.
Basically, be less of a hero individualist expecting measurable change with your name attached, and more in service of the community where you say we did that, and make pressure for change from there. You will have a lot of choices about how to personally make a difference from there.
tl;dr: you are asking the wrong people, and expecting the wrong results
Boycotts
Boycott what exactly?
The people and businesses who fund the political candidates, capitulate, or otherwise support facism. Stop buying from Walmart, target, home Depot, Amazon, Tesla, u-line, etc. buy things second hand and pay with cash. Stop using traditional social media (already here) It doesn’t have to be perfect, but do your best to be mindful of who you’re buying from.
That only works if everone does it.
Source: I’ve been too broke to buy shit for 2 or 3 years and the country is still in the toilet.
It helps if you tell other people about why they should boycott. It doesn’t have to be perfect, but if you can avoid certain companies it does help.
Americans: haha “France surrenders”
Also Americans: “I can’t stop buying from Amazon, other people still are! The mildest of inconveniences is too much effort on my part to resist fascism! Can’t you do it for me?”
Oh good, we’ll boycott food production, banking, technology, firearms and transportation.
Cool.
I’ll just sit here then. Let me know when the revolution is over.
https://lemmy.world/comment/21219099
Yes? Your point is?
Oh for fucks sake, I’m not talking individuals here. You are making a strawman argument.
You need to seek out others who also want to do something, and there is plenty of opportunity for that with todays social media. Then you plan together what would be a good thing to do locally for your area.
If others are doing something too, and their approach is more successful, you join them.
You collect a group, and do maybe 1 hour protests once a week to begin with, get peoples attention, and try to get more to join.
AFAIK that’s just about how grassroots movements get started.
Also you’ve had almost a year to figure something out now, how lame is it of you to ask this question now?
Its not in the news, but we’re already doing what you mentioned. What else do we do?
They just want to whine about the US, they have no actual suggestions with merit and keep trying to dismiss any and all evidence that people are actually doing things.
If they were talking about Ukraine, I’d assume they’re a Russian bot.
Build a more secular, caring, educated, egalitarian society? Row together with others to move the whole boat.
Not a specious statement. People saying ‘what am I supposed to do?’ often seem to think they can put republicans out of office and the problem is solved. USA is culturally divided and class stratified, and the non-commercial sectors are under repression.
There is only so much one person can do, and I absolutely do not blame those Americans that actually voted against Trump, and those who are actively protesting.
It’s the remaining 90+% that are the problem.
At least the majority seems to be voting Democrat now, but it’s far from a sure thing there will be another presidential election.
PS:
I have no idea why you got a downvote?
I disagree that 90% of americans aren’t doing anything. I see protests literally every day, so I don’t know what you’re on about.
Then you don’t know what 10% looks like.
Where are you getting your numbers?
Double post due to lemmy bug.
Even peacefully protesting certain subjects is becoming dangerous. Wake up. We need strength in numbers and they be spent 40 years convincing us all that we’re “others”. It’s gonna take an extremely unifying event that affects everyone.
Closest thing in so far is the Epstein files.
So maybe you should all have started earlier? It’s not like this development was hard to spot already a few days into this administration.
Edit:
Wow the amount of butthurt people here who can’t stand to hear the truth is insane! 🤣
It’s not like it’s something I’m saying in hindsight, feel free to go back in my history and see what I wrote around the time Trump was inaugurated!
I predicted exactly that nothing would happen, because a majority of the American people was actually OK with the shit Trump was about to pull. Or at least OK/stupid enough to not be likely to do anything about it.
Every expert worth his/her salt warned before Trump was elected, that this second time would be way worse than the first, because the reigns are off. And that’s EXACTLY what we see now. Including destroying affordable healthcare which was VERY CLEARLY warned about that he would!!!
Don’t try to claim you didn’t know already back in the beginning of the year. Because if you didn’t, it’s only because you kept yourself willingly ignorant.
Does this glib response mean you have more contempt than suggestions? It’s fine if so, but if not we’d love your advice
What specific advice would you like? ‘What should I do’ isn’t answerable.
Suggestions aren’t necessary, the will to make an effort is what is lacking, not opportunities to oppose the administration.
Read my other posts for suggestions, and the obvious simple explanation of how grassroots movements work.
Yeah being Navalny sounds really fun, thanks
That is hyperbolic for the USA, even if there are some risks. Maybe if you have a green card find back lines tasks instead of front lines. Seasoned activists who are part of the event can advise on specific tactics and strategies for a safe protest. Listen to them first.
Yes because people are sent to prison for protesting, and in American prisons you die of polonium poisoning after a few months. /s
Talk about a moronic straw man!!
Lol. Pot meet kettle.