The Senate has rejected legislation to extend Affordable Care Act tax credits, essentially guaranteeing that millions of Americans will see a steep rise in costs at the beginning of the year.
And if it never comes back, they will need to find alternative means of acquiring food. Maybe their state decides to go “fuck it” and replaces SNAP outright despite what the feds say. Or maybe there’s a grassroots movement that creates a new SNAP.
The important thing is, the longer the shutdown goes on, the less people will depend on the Trump regime to satisfy their needs.
I think the thing that people like you don’t realize is that government shutdowns almost never lead to legislation changes. It is basically just a political gesture that is meant to move public opinion only.
Dems maintained positive public opinion for a while, but it wasn’t going to last forever. Republicans were not going to cave on the issue, and after the longest shutdown in history, it’s possible their internal polling showed public opinion was starting to sour.
Your opinion (and a lot of others in this community) is to keep the government shut down forever and magically that’ll lead to all your legislations getting passed and nobody will be harmed by this shutdown and only republicans are viewed negatively. It’s a great fantasy, but in the real world, you don’t get everything, especially when you are not in control.
What I see here is the Republican Party voted to get rid of these subsidies, and you guys just want to blame Democrats because they didn’t want to shoot themselves in the foot on top of being smothered by the party in power.
Oh, I am fully aware that legislation changes are impossible even under the threat of a continued shutdown. What I’m interested in is usurpation of Congress by the states. Illinois governs a lot better than the feds do, and I very much desire Illinois, California, and other agreeable Democratic states to ignore the directives of the three federal branches and recognize a new three that they all favor.
I am aware of the Logan Act, and I don’t care. The new three branches will serve the people far better than the old ones. Hell, I would like Illinois to deal with Canada directly so the US’ allies know which states are friendly and which are not. This is also the only way to overthrow the current SCOTUS in our lifetimes.
It’s the only way out. Those in charge won’t allow any other way.
People like to hate on Democrats for all the appeasing they do, but they sometimes get hesitant when thinking of the alternative. Freedom isn’t supposed to be easy when you’re subjugated.
And considering how awful the US military is with quelling dissent in countries they’ve invaded, I’d say the Democrat states have a good chance if they stay focused. Not to mention all the foreign support flowing in due to the opportunity for a regime change.
You’re turned around here bro, we all wanted the shutdown to continue so we could continue to have affordable healthcare, we wanted it for everyone, the wording above is throwing you because it’s one person saying that the shutdown was something that could have benefitted them, but it’s not a matter of selfishness, it’s literally a broad, life-saving program. (The ACA tax subsidies.)
If you were against the shuttdown… well it must be nice to afford premium healthcare or be on someone else’s policy.
You’re being deliberately obtuse then. Participating in bad faith, just looking for someone to call “republican” to stir up drama. This is why you’re getting downvoted by like… everyone. You’re coming across as deliberately being an ass. In case you’re wondering. I won’t see your reply.
I think you’re making significantly more out of my comment than what was actually said. I responded to a guy saying “me me me” with “you sound like a different group of people that also say me me me”. Any deeper meaning you are giving to that comment is on you.
As for downvotes, I clearly don’t care. Lemmy users tend to be wildly unrealistic when it comes to what democrats should do. I’m fine with getting downvoted for going against the grain. Somebody has to or this echo chamber will spiral out of control.
So your friends are Republicans and you think the Dems did the right thing backing down on healthcare subsidies? Sounds like you are your Republican friends bud
Yeah, totally republican ass mentality to want to keep subsidies for people instead of caving on a vote that will totes happen. You ever think ‘their interests’ is having healthcare subsidies? Or do you assume the worst unless someone breaks out the crayons?
Fucking copium, my dude. My family has snap benefits and medicaid, and it would have been in my best long term interests for the government to stay shut down until the republicans caved and let the democrats help people. It was going to be a hard couple of months, but I was hoping my reps would have the stones to fight for their constituents, instead of rolling over (as is tradition) and letting the republicans have another win and take more from the people who have the least.
But hey, good thing they thought of the best interests of the economy and wall street. They’re the real ones hurt during these shutdowns. 🙄
It’s a Republican ass mentality to say it serves me me me. If the user had said it was for the greater good because of subsidies and Trump and what not, I wouldn’t have left the comment I did. But they said it serves me me me and they don’t care about any of the people genuinely affected by the government shutdown.
The opinion is not republican, but the behavior is 100% republican.
Edit: It’s also worth noting my original comment that started all this.
Imagine if the government was still shut down and we still didn’t have these subsidies.
So the user’s reply to that comment was to say he didn’t care about the subsidies or shutdown cause it benefited them.
I would approve. The government shutdown was serving my interests.
Some people rely on SNAP.
And if it never comes back, they will need to find alternative means of acquiring food. Maybe their state decides to go “fuck it” and replaces SNAP outright despite what the feds say. Or maybe there’s a grassroots movement that creates a new SNAP.
The important thing is, the longer the shutdown goes on, the less people will depend on the Trump regime to satisfy their needs.
I think the thing that people like you don’t realize is that government shutdowns almost never lead to legislation changes. It is basically just a political gesture that is meant to move public opinion only.
Dems maintained positive public opinion for a while, but it wasn’t going to last forever. Republicans were not going to cave on the issue, and after the longest shutdown in history, it’s possible their internal polling showed public opinion was starting to sour.
Your opinion (and a lot of others in this community) is to keep the government shut down forever and magically that’ll lead to all your legislations getting passed and nobody will be harmed by this shutdown and only republicans are viewed negatively. It’s a great fantasy, but in the real world, you don’t get everything, especially when you are not in control.
What I see here is the Republican Party voted to get rid of these subsidies, and you guys just want to blame Democrats because they didn’t want to shoot themselves in the foot on top of being smothered by the party in power.
Oh, I am fully aware that legislation changes are impossible even under the threat of a continued shutdown. What I’m interested in is usurpation of Congress by the states. Illinois governs a lot better than the feds do, and I very much desire Illinois, California, and other agreeable Democratic states to ignore the directives of the three federal branches and recognize a new three that they all favor.
I am aware of the Logan Act, and I don’t care. The new three branches will serve the people far better than the old ones. Hell, I would like Illinois to deal with Canada directly so the US’ allies know which states are friendly and which are not. This is also the only way to overthrow the current SCOTUS in our lifetimes.
Sounds like you’re looking for civil war basically.
It’s the only way out. Those in charge won’t allow any other way.
People like to hate on Democrats for all the appeasing they do, but they sometimes get hesitant when thinking of the alternative. Freedom isn’t supposed to be easy when you’re subjugated.
And considering how awful the US military is with quelling dissent in countries they’ve invaded, I’d say the Democrat states have a good chance if they stay focused. Not to mention all the foreign support flowing in due to the opportunity for a regime change.
Sound like all my Republican friends.
You’re either lost or misinterpreted the comment, or don’t understand what the shutdown was about.
Nah, my Republican friends are selfish and would say something like “it serves my best interest” so we should keep doing that.
You’re turned around here bro, we all wanted the shutdown to continue so we could continue to have affordable healthcare, we wanted it for everyone, the wording above is throwing you because it’s one person saying that the shutdown was something that could have benefitted them, but it’s not a matter of selfishness, it’s literally a broad, life-saving program. (The ACA tax subsidies.)
If you were against the shuttdown… well it must be nice to afford premium healthcare or be on someone else’s policy.
You must be turned around cause that’s not the words the user wrote. If it was, I wouldn’t have written my comment.
You’re being deliberately obtuse then. Participating in bad faith, just looking for someone to call “republican” to stir up drama. This is why you’re getting downvoted by like… everyone. You’re coming across as deliberately being an ass. In case you’re wondering. I won’t see your reply.
I think you’re making significantly more out of my comment than what was actually said. I responded to a guy saying “me me me” with “you sound like a different group of people that also say me me me”. Any deeper meaning you are giving to that comment is on you.
As for downvotes, I clearly don’t care. Lemmy users tend to be wildly unrealistic when it comes to what democrats should do. I’m fine with getting downvoted for going against the grain. Somebody has to or this echo chamber will spiral out of control.
So your friends are Republicans and you think the Dems did the right thing backing down on healthcare subsidies? Sounds like you are your Republican friends bud
It serves my interests so we should do that. That’s some Republican ass mentality.
Yeah, totally republican ass mentality to want to keep subsidies for people instead of caving on a vote that will totes happen. You ever think ‘their interests’ is having healthcare subsidies? Or do you assume the worst unless someone breaks out the crayons?
Fucking copium, my dude. My family has snap benefits and medicaid, and it would have been in my best long term interests for the government to stay shut down until the republicans caved and let the democrats help people. It was going to be a hard couple of months, but I was hoping my reps would have the stones to fight for their constituents, instead of rolling over (as is tradition) and letting the republicans have another win and take more from the people who have the least.
But hey, good thing they thought of the best interests of the economy and wall street. They’re the real ones hurt during these shutdowns. 🙄
It’s a Republican ass mentality to say it serves me me me. If the user had said it was for the greater good because of subsidies and Trump and what not, I wouldn’t have left the comment I did. But they said it serves me me me and they don’t care about any of the people genuinely affected by the government shutdown.
The opinion is not republican, but the behavior is 100% republican.
Edit: It’s also worth noting my original comment that started all this.
So the user’s reply to that comment was to say he didn’t care about the subsidies or shutdown cause it benefited them.