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Title text:
‘They really shouldn’t let those small cars drive in traffic. I worry I’m going to kill someone if I hit one! They should have to drive on the sidewalk, safely out of the way.’
Transcript:
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Source: https://xkcd.com/3167/
The number of massive trucks I see without a speck of dirt in the bed that are used mainly for commuting and groceries is pathetic.
If I could have a Fully electric mid 90s chevy S10 style pickup with modern safety features and no surveillance I would be sooooo happy. But no, if I want a truck I can buy old as fuck or get a wanktank. Closest option to what I want in the US currently is a Ford Maverick (which is literally just a rebadged explorer sport trac for the modern age) but that would mean supporting Ford, and like, fuck Ford.
What’s crazy (and sucks) is they DID have an EV S10 from the mid 90’s (hence why it sucks: it’s exactly what you want, but they killed it)
Of course it doesn’t have the modern safety features, but I bet you could still find one if you’re determined enough! Although it’s possible you already knew this 😉
Interesting to read that and see how far we’ve come with EVs and charging.
Even crazier to think how far we could’ve been if they didn’t kill all of these projects as soon as they could!
I had no idea, I’ll have a to keep an eye out for those 👀
Glad I could open your eyes! I have no idea how rare they are so it’s possible you’ll never see one (or you’ll have to build one yourself maybe?)
I only heard about them a day or two before commenting because of the recent EV1 auction! Turns out Jared from The Questionable Garage (formerly Wrench Every Day) got one driving again, which he brought up in his video talking about the EV1 auction
You’re basically asking for what slate promises to be.
Also, you totally didn’t say it, but I feel like whining about it so: A lot of people think that the infotainment in cars could be stripped out to lower the price, but a big touch screen is actually very cheap and it might even be more expensive to have a bunch of bespoke buttons per model, so really, the idea of a gutted out vehicle wouldn’t save any money. The only actual money savers would be in areas like the suspension, build quality, engine size, that sort of thing.
Perhaps, but having tactile options like buttons and dials is considerably safer as the ui can’t change and you can keep your eyes on the road
Perhaps, but having tactile options like buttons and dials is considerably safer as the ui can’t change and you can keep your eyes on the road
Meh. Debatable.
I think a few crucial buttons and a screen is most safe. To have all the modern features and settings of a normal car and have buttons alone would leave you with a 747 cockpit you have to look at anyways, and you’d have to cover more area to find things.
Correct me if I’m wrong, is Slate not Amazon backed? No judgement either way, I just know that rubs some lemmings the wrong way
Oh don’t worry, it isn’t! Its just backed by Jeff Bezos himself…
Yeah…
This world sucks, and sometimes you gotta make some shitty pragmatic choices. I would judge someone harshly for a Tesla but less so for Slate given that 1. Jeff isn’t so openly racist so much as being a greedy bastard of a human being, and 2. Slate is backed by him but not fully owned by him.
Ah the fun of the world we live in…
Yeah 100%, I’m fully on board with your reasoning. I’m continuously arguing with myself over a Bronco or a Tacoma (only modern backcontry capable vehicles with manuals I’m aware of), so I do NOT have a moral high ground here haha
My understanding that the “Amazon backed” was a comparatively small portion of the funding, and largely to generate an air of legitimacy for the normies.
Absolutely fair, the more I know. Thanks for the clarification!
You don’t need software developers for a button
While you do not need software devs for a button, once you have enough buttons doing enough things controlling them with a computer becomes much easier than controlling them using mechanical circuitry. This is the whole reason for SBCs like the Arduino, so people can make the transitionary step between “my project is simple enough to have physical logic built into it” and “my project is so complex it no longer makes sense for me to hand build the logic”
If you haven’t messed with physical logic gates before, I recommend it! If you don’t have a physical workspace to do it in, Minecraft actually Makes a ‘great’ sandbox for playing with logic circuits. Superflat Creative worlds are the bomb for that.
Start with a simple yes gate, then learn a not gate, then an And, then an Or, and build up from there!
You’ll find very quickly that once you need persistence involved, projects with physical logic can scale massively with each additional bit of storage added. Doing something with that storage? Good luck! As a result, nowadays we pay someone for a tiny computer they already made, and program it to make our buttons do stuff, instead of just having the buttons do stuff directly.
Edit: removed a word, analog does not mean mechanical, mea culpa.
You need someone to figure out how to get the car to interpret that button press. Whether it’s an electrical engineer or a dev doesn’t make too much difference to the argument.
the software route actually makes a bit more sense at scale, as you can abstract all the same functions into the car’s computer regardless of what human interface device is activating that function.
Depends on how the button works
Same, I recently looked for vehicles and this was an option we desperately wanted. We have a great ev now that’s tiny and efficient, but a small truck would have been great
I think Toyota just teased an EV Hilux
Someone pointed out the shape is very Tacoma-esque, so maybe an EV Toyota quarter ton is on the way
It’s become a wealth/status symbol for people who don’t like the more traditional bougie shit. Lets them still delude themselves into thinking they’re salt of the earth types.
I can afford for 2/3 of my vehicle to be functionally useless! Dohohohoho!
t’s become a wealth/status symbol for people who don’t like the more traditional bougie shit
It’s because they are actual luxury vehicles. Get inside one of the new ones, and it’s basically what you would imagine a lexus or lincoln would be like. All the fanciness, all the nifty little features… Finding one that is actually made to ‘work’ is hard.
A wealth symbol you can finance for 84 months 🤣
I think there have been occasions where I have passed a truck stopped at a red light on my bike, while carrying more groceries or other materials than they have in their entire backseat and bed.
And with the short box option, so you can’t fit 4x8 sheets of stuff in there anyway. Better off with a minivan.
So much this. I can somewhat forgive a stupid sized truck if it was used for work or some kind of off roading.
Lucky! I’d love to live somewhere where that was a SMALL number
Fucking with a coworker back in the day who drove a monster SUV with zero need. I don’t noramlly make judgement on that but I knew the family well. Her husband had a nice truck and their one kid was adult and moved out.
“I drive it because it’s safer.”
“So you’re happy to kill someone in a tiny car like mine, as long as you’re OK?”
<stares motherfuckerly>
“Aren’t you Christian? What do you figure Jesus would say about that?”
“Get out of my office Shalafi.”
🤷🏻
It bugs me when people refuse to acknowledge they’re being a selfish prick. At least have the strength of character to look someone in the eye and say “Yes, I’d rather you die than me”. Fucking cowards.
Old joke, but Jesus drove a Honda sedan.
He and his disciples were together in one Accord.

Maybe he doesn’t mention it cause it’s all dinged up since he’s shit at parking. Thinking you’re a god means fuck off fuck off in parallel
According to The Simpsons, it was blue.
John 10:18:
“No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father”.
He didnt just drive it, he raced it, using NOS given to him by god!
It isn’t safer if all of the other drivers are also in massive suvs.
There’s also humans in the world. Not just drivers.

Just a few thousand truck flipping cars on the road might be a good start
Can only drive on well-maintained streets tho.
Just passed one of those on my work today. It was LADA 2108 with lowered roof and suspension planted all the way down. Kind of like hybrid of theese two:


It got stuck in a pothole at an intersection…
That has traffic-flipping vibes of the upgraded Agency Supercar from the game Crackdown. I like.
What’s the Lancia logo doing on there?
Idk I just hot linked some random image on the internet
I don’t know where that’s from, but it kinda has Lancia Stratos concept vibes to me.
Lancia Stratos Zero was kinda similar.
Not to speak of the Lancia Stratos, the original cheese wedge:

That one apparently did well in rally, so I have trouble seeing it as a ‘hugging the ground’ supercar. Even though Porsches and Lambos also were in rally.
It’s a bit of a misconception. Soft-sprung cars can be hella fast on roads.
But modern supercars are sprung so slow for downforce, to try to turn their bottoms into vacuum cleaners. But (outside of racetracks) its mostly for show and ‘sporty feel,’ as this downforce doesn’t really kick in till like 90mph+. In fact, many racecars are faster around hairpins when sprung looser and higher.
May Skeletor suggest: Regulation
Regulation is in cahoots with big car and big oil.
regulation is why cars in the USA are so large. all the safety requirements pushed them larger and larger and heavier.
also the chicken tax is why our trucks must be large.
not USanian but afaik cars got so big over there because trucks (being work vehicles) have less (environmental, safety, …) regulations than cars, that’s why SUVs got so popular, manufacturers pushed them onto public. as long as the base for the vehicle is that of a truck they are legally exempt from many limits.
source: probably “Not Just Bikes” on y*utube idk
EDIT: just read about the chicken tax, interesting…
cars are way bigger than they were 10-20 years ago. My 2017 civic is larger than my 1995 Camry, and not much smaller than my 1989 4Runner. Mostly because of safety features. My 1995 didn’t have massive crumple zones and 20 air bags. it had 1 airbag.
Smaller modern cars still have the same safety features, marketing has found the best way to make consumers want new and more expensive cars through the idea of big car=safe, which only becomes true if the other car involved in a crash is also big, but just like the comic shows, it becomes an arms race where it only increases the danger, as a bigger car also has bigger inertia, so a crash at the same speed has drastic different energy transference.
people like bigger cars for many other reasons.
they are more comfortable. they are safer, they fit more stuff. they have more features than smaller cars. they are often quieter.
and if you have a family you need a larger vehicle to fit kids and pets.
that’s true, but from what i’ve seen these gigantic cars really don’t offer that much more space; if space/capacity was really a concern family buses/vans whatever would be much more popular. where i live most people i see on SUVs are alone on their car, bigger families just get a Citroen Berlingo <3
but yeah people do like big cars
We regulated the safety of the driver with little regard for pedestrians. The solution is regulating what your car does to others in a crash
@TubularTittyFrog @Benchamoneh How do you explain the existence of the Honda Fit and Toyota Corolla on American roads (curb weights: 2,381lbs and 2800lbs)?
We like big cars and we can not lie
You other libertarians can’t deny
That when a car pulls up with a itty-bitty MPG
and a 4 ton weight in your face, we get sprung.those cars are large compared to what japan/europe drives. and huge compared to a compact car from the 90s.
The Honda fit hasn’t been sold for several years anyway. The fit was ended in 2020. A 2026 corolla is 3000lbs, and the same size as Camry was 10 years ago.
This could be solved so many different ways.
The most obvious is getting rid of the stupid CAFE regulations and Chicken tax that basically incentivise the fuck out of making these monstrosities.
The others are less likely to be done in a country like the USA with its 2 party system where the options are conservatism and fascist conservatism.
Im sick and tired of this bullshit claim that we can only choose beyween conservatism and fascism. This completely overlooks the Christian fascist theocratic option that is also available to those who really love “freedom”.
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Or just apply the CAFE standards to all vehicles equally, don’t create loopholes that enable this kind of shit.
There really is an xkcd for everything.
We’re in the “I need to make my headlights brighter than the sun phase”. It’s just before the spike club panel
INTRODUCING…GRAVE DIGGER!!!

Oh he’s about to flip over.
You’ve fallen for one of the classic blunders!
i like fire truck and monster truck. walter
The thing that really frustrates me is that I can’t buy the car I want. I would like a successor to my Chevy Volt but it’s become very difficult to find a compact hybrid hatchback in the States. It’s basically Prius Prime or bust, and the Prius is not nearly as fun to drive as the Volt.
Yeah. I am getting an Integra.
It’s the only decent hatchback that is sporty that’s left. And it’s not cheap either.
The civic hybrid is really good, it just came out. Much better than the Prius. But there is very limited selection.
Yes, Civic hybrid looks good. Too bad no plug-in option for it :( The discontinued Honda Clarity plug-in might be a used option, but it’s kind of frumpy to be honest.
Don’t forget your bullet proof windows, solid steel armor and spikes:

I can’t even imagine howuch shit I could buy to keep my family safe with the money used to buy and pimp that cyber truck…
Like a house
Or moving to a different area
Is this in Houston? I’m pretty sure that’s the only place I’ve seen rims like that.
Yup
Slab culture keeps rolling.
“We’re also going to make cars uglier as they get bigger too. Can’t have style, that might distract other drivers”
Reminds me of the lead up to WW1 where Germany and Britain were in a race to see who could crank out the biggest dreadnaughts.
What bugs me about this argument is that the safest thing to do is drive less
I’m pretty sure Randall agrees
Make sure you get your teenager a massive suv to keep them safe too, nevermind that they are the highest risk drivers and that you’ve just armed them with something twice as likely to take the life of a pedestrian.
most teens are driving compact cars. don’t know what you are smoking.
Oh please do the 50 year mortgage!
Please! Oh pretty please!
The 50 year mortgage is begging for some laughs.













