Im seeing a lot of things, on some communities. Like they could be nazis or denying the Uighur’s genocide.
What are we talking about exactly.
So pls, explain me like I’m 5 :)
Ty all
Edit : ty all very much for your answers. Morality for me : clearly don’t give a shit sometimes, can help to be mindfull. Basics that’s what I’ve should take care of. Its fediverse. And in bonus they are not fucking naziiiiiii :)
The two biggest contributors to the original lemmy code are pro china and pro russia respectively. No one is sure how strong their opinions are, but there is a lot of fear mongering because their PFPs on GitHub are political. They created the first instance, lemmy, and the second, lemmygrad, using the same ip address.
Now, there’s two important things to keep in mind. Lemmygrad, which is a “tankie” (highly political) group, is set up separately from the main lemmy group. Not only does this keep lemmy from being highly political, it also allows all other groups to defederate from lemmygrad while staying connected to lemmy. Most groups have lemmygrad defederated by default.
In my opinion, this is the right way to do things and there’s nothing to worry about. But there are some people who think that since the creators are pro china and russia that it could be an attempt to “poison the well” of federation from the beginning. It comes from a biased belief that anything to do with the red scare is bad by default. The creators are not funneling money into political campaigns. They’re not asking everyone to agree with their beliefs or pushing their opinions in non political groups. They’re not able to remove communities that disagree with their philosophies.
Lemmy’s code is open source and it is easy for moderators to block political content if they choose. There’s going to be people with differing opinions. People who are socialist, or conservative, or anarchist are capable of creating good things. Plenty of people still buy from chick fil a or nestle even if they disagree with the group’s politics. As of now there is no issue. However, reddit refugees are currently sensitive to a) preexisting problems from reddit that could carry over into fediverse and b) leaders disagreeing with their beliefs.
TL;DR: it’s something that could potentially be a concern in the future, but isn’t a problem right now. With new users on edge it’s likely being blown way out of proportion.
I honestly don’t care about the political views of the administrators as long as they keep moderation politically unslanted. The second they add in politics like Reddit did, I’m gone again. Real freedom of expression is allowing everybody to have their opinion. As a writer I know that freedom of expression is one of the few things that make life worth living.
That’s why I got my own domain in the end, because I was tired of social media censoring me.
I don’t know much about the devs, but honestly it doesn’t matter. The devs could be nazis for all I care, the code is what matters. The code is open source, so you can see any malicious codes if they tried to inject any. Evil people sometimes make great things. Hitler has a few piece of decent (keyword: decent, not great by any meaningful standards) art, even tho he was a genocidal piece of trash. Just because you appreciate the art, doesn’t mean you support nazism. (The analogy is a bit extreme but you get the point.)
The most prominent extrimist community, lemmygrad.ml has been defederated by most big instances. Any instance that is considered unacceptable can be defederated at any time by the instance admin. Lemmy does not currently have a extremist issue.
They’re not nazis, they’re communists, there’s a big difference.
There’s also a big difference between a communist and a tankie
Please do explain, because I really don’t know the difference.
Well I think I worded that poorly, a communist is a pretty large term referring to a lot of different ideas, so you can’t really say what a communist believes exactly. A tankie is a subsection of communists who want an authoritarian state that holds all power and are supportive or regimes like the USSR and Mao Zedong China (which imho were horrible regimes that has destroyed a lot of lives). Now I don’t care about tankies and I don’t care about the ideology so I know very little of it (so I might be far of reality here), but I don’t think nazis and tankies are so far off in “horribleness”
How is ruling with an iron fist the same as irradicting entire nations/races?
Well I think that nazi germany was worse, but I think that comparing Stalin USSR and Hitler Germany and saying that one is worse than the other is like comparing dog shit and earwax to what is the better food. I’d probably choose earwax over dog shit, but it doesn’t say much about either. If someone says “I don’t care if it’s dog shit or earwax, I’d still eat” and someone else comes in and says “I think earwax is a lot better” i think it’s kinda absurd and doesn’t really change a lot about the original statement.
So back to the original point of the lemmy creators were nazis instead, it would not change anything about if we should fork it or not. There are a lot of crazy open source devs with crazy political ideas that create amazing products and the product is not the same as the creator :)
And also I’m not super well versed I this, so if you think I’m wrong please explain to me why you think that. These are my opinions, but I’m not a scholar or anything
You don’t want me to start comparing the US ruling order with USSR, trust me, you don’t wanna go down that path.
Everyone’s got skeletons in their closet. The point is you’re comparing the ruling of Stalin to earwax. I could say the same about the US in general. Maybe ruling with an iron fist is better in some scenarios, have you thought about that? I could give you some that were actually pretty successful as societies, until the rulers died or were overthown by the US (which had no business meddling and trying to impose their social/economical order on others, but hey, surprise surprise, they did… because, of course, they’re stringer and always right about everything 😒).
My point is, there are negative sides, sure, no doubt about that, but if you take the positive sides of any type of social order (hell, even nacizm), you can learn a lot, not to mention make current societies even better. Not everything in any social order is good and not everything is bad, but take the ideas that lie behind socialism and you’ll see that, in general, the ideas are pretty good - give power back to the working class… basically, the people that make the world go roun. Just because a leader chose to rule with an iron fist, doesn’t mean the society is bad or that everything he did was bad. Trust me when I say, this, I’ve lived long enough to experience socialism and democracy/capitalism first hand. There are lessons that can be taken from democracy, no doubt there, but there were valid reasons why ruling with an iron fist was a better solution. I could go on explaining why, but that’s beside the scope of this post. If you’re interested, I could get into more detail.
